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Offline CpMorgan

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Weapon of choice
« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2007, 04:17:51 AM »
Since I first logged on back in December, I've flown the Corsair exclusively. and joined a squad that flys Corsairs exclusively. One, because it's a difficult plane to handle and master, and two, because I seriously think it was one of the best WWII fighters ever produced. However, I do agree that other planes were exceptional in their arenas, P-51's for example. But overall, the F4U had excellent capabilities and flight characteristics  that anyone would desire to battle the existing enemy equipment at that time. (i.e. Zekes, Kates) The Dogfight program just ran a series on the F6F Hellcat that stated it was the "Zero Killer". Because of the production numbers, and the fact that they were the plane of choice for the PTO carrier fleet, simple math dictates that it had more exposure to the enemy, so more availablitiy to engauge said enemy. But, if the actual comparisons are made between what the Marines did with the F4U and plane for plane what the Navy did with the F6F, I believe the numbers would be closer than it would first appear. Compare the kills from VMF-251 during the Solomon Islands campaign for example.
 As far as I'm concerned, the Corsair will be my weapon of choice in AH. And, once I'm able to master the beast, Ya'll gonna have ya hands full.  :p
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Re: Weapon of choice
« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2007, 06:43:43 AM »
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Since I first logged on back in December, I've flown the Corsair exclusively. and joined a squad that flys Corsairs exclusively. One, because it's a difficult plane to handle and master, and two, because I seriously think it was one of the best WWII fighters ever produced. However, I do agree that other planes were exceptional in their arenas, P-51's for example. But overall, the F4U had excellent capabilities and flight characteristics  that anyone would desire to battle the existing enemy equipment at that time. (i.e. Zekes, Kates) The Dogfight program just ran a series on the F6F Hellcat that stated it was the "Zero Killer". Because of the production numbers, and the fact that they were the plane of choice for the PTO carrier fleet, simple math dictates that it had more exposure to the enemy, so more availablitiy to engauge said enemy. But, if the actual comparisons are made between what the Marines did with the F4U and plane for plane what the Navy did with the F6F, I believe the numbers would be closer than it would first appear. Compare the kills from VMF-251 during the Solomon Islands campaign for example.
 As far as I'm concerned, the Corsair will be my weapon of choice in AH. And, once I'm able to master the beast, Ya'll gonna have ya hands full.  :p


Sorry, I meant VMF-214.
VMF 251 is the squad I fly with. It was kinda early when I posted this. :rolleyes: :huh

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« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2007, 07:30:26 AM »
I saw that show too. It was interesting (as that whole series is), although I was disappointed to see the F4U in there.

About convergence on the F4U-A1, do you guys mess with that, or do you leave it set at default?

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« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2007, 07:44:43 AM »
I have convergences set spread out from 225 to 275 (inside bank furthest out) for any of the Corsairs.
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« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2007, 07:49:41 AM »
i use 250 on mine.



i find the f4u is an excellent plane for hunting down the MA uber rides, it'll own spit16s and chase down la7s, and can E fight or turnfight with the best of em. it takes a bit of learning, and it is a hard plane to fly, but the rewards are great.

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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2007, 08:38:38 AM »
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different setup i assume. same engine as the -1 i think, but aerodynamic updates etc make it faster and slightly more maneuverable, but both these differences are only in a few mph and a few and a few deg/second.
 


Actually, the -1A has the same engine as the -1D. It's a bit lighter and cleaner too. Thus, it performs better than the other -1 types.

Here's two little known facts about our Corsairs.

If you take a drop tank or bomb in either the F4U-1 or F4U-1A, you will lose 6 mph in max speed because the belly rack cannot be jettisoned.

When flying the F4U-4, if you take rockets, the rockets stub mounts are added to the wings and it reduces maximum speed by 8 mph. There is, however, no penalty for taking bombs as the bomb pylons are standard equipment.

Keep these facts in mind when loading out your F4Us.

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Offline VON BRAUN

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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2007, 09:28:24 PM »

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« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2007, 08:54:40 PM »
Some very good Hog pilots in this thread.
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« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2007, 03:28:28 AM »
One reason the hog seems so wiggly on touch down for many people can be seen by glancing at the trim settings used in Combat Trim. Aileron and rudder trim deflection for Combat Trim is based on speed and those are the same settings used for take off and climbout, but you're not generating the same torque in a power-off glide or flair.

If you neutralize that rudder and aileron trim during final, things get easier in a hurry.
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« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2007, 11:38:22 PM »
I find there's two ways to keep the Corsair under control on landing:

As suggested, come in just above stall to get all three wheels down at once.

However, if you're coming in a little faster, let her roll on JUST the main gear until the speed is reduced to where you can get the tail wheel down and locked (from what I understand from other threads, this type of landing was advised for early Corsairs due to gear bounce issues). Until you drop below 50mph rudder can be used to help keep your nose straight, but as SOON as you can get the tail wheel down give it back-stick to lock it in place. This type of landing is easiest if you give yourself a long glide run onto the runway, and the important thing here is to keep your focus on the landing. Get distracted and she can get out from under you.

I prefer the 1A for most air-to-air situations. I disagree on the fuel loadout, and find this option is more flexible than how it's handled in the -1. Plus, I don't think any preference on fuel distribution is enough to disregard the 1As performance advantages (speed and turning ability aren't so significant, but fly the 1A for a bit and then the -1, and the birdcage WILL feel heavy and underpowered). If I'm going a sector or so I'll load 75% internal with no DTs. When I take off, I start with my left wing tank until it's down to 1/8th, then burn the right down to 1/8th as well during my climbout. With both wings drained I switch to main until empty. I'll usually RTB once I'm down to about 1/8th main tank if I'm not worried about pursuit (1/4 main if I need to run like hell). 1/8th in all three tanks gets you a LONG way if you use cruise settings.

I'd recommend you catch up with Widewing or TC in the training arena for certain, and there's some other REAL good sticks as well. The Corsair isn't EZ-mode like the Spits and ElGay. Not everyone can make her dance low and slow (and the guys who CAN are the ones you REALLY need to watch for). Especially as you're learning, I'd try and keep her fast, certainly no slower than 250-300mph. Unless you're in a -4 low-end acceleration really only ranges from poor (-1) to average (1A/C/D. The -4 is an absolute monster very deserving of the perk price) so if you bleed off your energy on the deck you can't count on being able to run out because those Spits and ElGays will beat you in the drag.

If you use your gear for a break try not to run with them out. Unless I'm in a dive trying to avoid overspeeding I try to only kick them out for a second or so at a time. Just make sure you retract again! It's a bit embarrassing trying to run out on an enemy only to get run down by an Il-2 just off the field because you forgot to stow your gear.

Do NOT forget Der Uberflappen (TM). The Corsair has some of the BEST flaps of anything in the game, and dropping a notch or two at just the right time will haul that big nose around and give a lot of guys a REAL nasty surprise. Just enter a lag pursuit turn, drop the flaps and wait for the smack-talking to begin from that Spixteen who swears there's no WAY the F4U can turn inside him. :D

Use the Corsair's mass to advantage! While most planes will catch her in a straight climb there is almost NOTHING that will hang with the F4U in the Zoom. Can't tell you HOW many times I've run down La-7s and Ponies opening on me FAST in a level chase when they decided to try and climb out. With a good head of steam in the 1A (~350mph true airspeed) I've held rates of climb at rather shallow angles of attack exceeding 4000fpm for a good 5mins or more. If you misjudge his speed a Corsair below you can become a Corsair chewing up your tail faster than you can say "Oh @#%&!"
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« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2007, 07:59:16 AM »
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It's not much better, just a little better. Fastest of the -1 models, it turns as well or better than the F4U-1. Not only is it faster than the others, it also accelerates a bit better. Given equal pilots, the -1A will win a fight with any of the other -1 models. That having been said, they're all so close together in overall performance as to be simply a matter of personal choice. You will not feel like you are in an inferior fighter should you select a -1D.

For me, if I need to bring ordnance, I'll select the -1D or -1C. For furballing, I'll take the -1A.

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« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2007, 12:03:37 PM »
thanks a ton, guys. i really learned alot from this thread!:aok

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« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2007, 01:32:11 PM »
What exactly is a zoom climb?

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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2007, 01:41:57 PM »
correct me if I'm wrong, but it's pulling up at the end of a dive to gain altitude again.

right?

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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2007, 02:30:50 PM »
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correct me if I'm wrong, but it's pulling up at the end of a dive to gain altitude again.

right?


Correct but its also making sure that your climb is at a shallow enough angle that you hold the majority of the speed you gained in the dive on the way back up.
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