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Offline Shamus

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« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2007, 12:29:27 PM »
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By this definition, our founding fathers were terrorists :lol

Boston Teaparty = terrorist act :lol


From the Brit's point of view..you betcha!!!

You do realize what a can of worms you just opened dont you? :)

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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2007, 12:30:18 PM »
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Websters initial definition prefaces all of its later definaitions with one sentence:

the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion


It must be SYSTEMATIC.

The guys who killed the kids at Columbine did so in one act.

The guy in the mall was one guy committing one act.



They systematically shot several people.  Sorry Curval, let's just agree to disagree.  Columbine was terrorism in my mind as well as the minds of many others.
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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2007, 12:31:09 PM »
Boston Teaparty was a political protest against the stamp act taxes.

the stamp act taxes were to pay for the costs of the french and indian war that england incurred defending it's colonies.
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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2007, 12:31:47 PM »
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That bombing was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, El Sayyid Nosair, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Ahmad Ajaj, and Abdul Rahman Yasin. They received financing from al-Qaeda member Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle.

According to the journalist Steve Coll, Yousef mailed letters to various New York newspapers just before the attack, in which he claimed he belonged to the 'Liberation Army, Fifth Battalion'. These letters made three demands: an end to all US aid to Israel, an end to US diplomatic relations with Israel, and a demand for a pledge by the United States to end interference "with any of the Middle East countries [sic] interior affairs." He stated that the attack on the World Trade Center would be merely the first of such attacks if his demands were not met. In his letters Yousef admitted that the World Trade Center bombing was an act of terrorism, but that this was justified because 'the terrorism that Israel practices (which America supports) must be faced with a similar one.'


Yes, but at the time was it "systematic"?  Just because the guys says it is the first of more does not make it systematic.
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« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2007, 12:35:49 PM »
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They systematically shot several people.  Sorry Curval, let's just agree to disagree.  Columbine was terrorism in my mind as well as the minds of many others.


Not systematically in that sense Steve.  Systematic would mean a series of related events.  You are reaching.

But, okay.  We can agree to disagree.
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« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2007, 12:41:24 PM »
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FBI definition (the one that REALLY counts):

Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.



Columbine was intended to intimidate  a segment of the civilian population.
Side effect was a change of school social policies.

Using FBI definitions anyway.

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« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2007, 12:43:53 PM »
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Yes, but at the time was it "systematic"?  Just because the guys says it is the first of more does not make it systematic.


Goodness.  You still want to argue this point?

The group that did this was financed by Al Qaeda.  Their leader admitted to the act as being a terrorist one.  You just don't get a more obvious case of terrorism.
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« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2007, 12:46:15 PM »
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Columbine was intended to intimidate  a segment of the civilian population.
Side effect was a change of school social policies.

Using FBI definitions anyway.

Bronk


LOL

Grasping.
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« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2007, 12:50:24 PM »
So your saying they didn't target certain children?
Schools didn't change policies on bullying?

Bronk

Edit: There was also great fear of copycat incidents.  In other words bullied kids saying yea the hell with that I'll get a gun and shoot em.
One group of kids wanting to get revenge/ change of the status quo.
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« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2007, 12:54:50 PM »
Look...my opinion on this mall shooting is EXACTLY the same as Eskimo's.  If this guy yelled "Allah Wackba" or whatever while gunning people down, or was in any way committing the act as part of a political agenda then I will agree with you 100% that he was a terrorist.

If he did so because his girlfriend left him, or some other stupid reason, then he is a wacked out nutjob, but not a terrorist.
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« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2007, 01:04:24 PM »
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I have no idea what the mall shooters motivations were.
I'm just saying a terrorist act does not have to be political or against  the state.


Bronk

 


You must have missed this part.

I'm not arguing the mall was a terrorist act or not.

What I was trying to address was this.
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Not to the people who actually come up with the definitions. Tell you what, I've just spent a few minutes trying to find a definition of terrorism that does not mention "politics" or acts of violence against the "state".

Find me one and I will happily step down.




Bronk

Edit: By your posting the FBI definitions you invalidate your quoted post here.
 Because it can be against civilian /social topics. Not just state/political topics.
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« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2007, 01:17:35 PM »
Oh, I see.  You are just nit-picking part of a post of mine and using it to validate a point.  You aren't involved in the actual topic of this thread.

Gotcha.
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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2007, 01:26:02 PM »
No need to get snippy curval.
You brought up the definition of terrorism not me.
You asked to find one not state/political orientated.

I'm sorry if you see it as nit picking.
I'll try not to dispute YOUR definitions with YOUR  posts.
Or find examples that YOU ask for.


Bronk

Edit: Also don't post off topic things and expect the rest not to follow.
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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2007, 03:15:01 PM »
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Next you'll tell me that the guy robbing the post office is a terrorist.



what is this guy robbing/stealing in a post office? stamps? envelopes maybe? everyone's mail? or the bills?

curious as to why anyone would think "robbing the post office".

going postal (taking out co-workers needing taking out) in a post office, I can understand, I do not approve of it, but do understand.

but robbing it????  :huh  :confused:  :huh
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« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2007, 03:25:11 PM »
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or the claim is..............

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/02/13/jihad-american-style-18-yr-old-bosnian-muslim-refugee-kills-6-people-on-american-soil/

hmm.............

is the media doing a coverup?

I sure wonder about our media....................


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