Originally posted by Bronk
No need to get snippy curval.
You brought up the definition of terrorism not me.
You asked to find one not state/political orientated.
I'm sorry if you see it as nit picking.
I'll try not to dispute YOUR definitions with YOUR posts.
Or find examples that YOU ask for.
Bronk
Edit: Also don't post off topic things and expect the rest not to follow.
Bronk, I'm only getting "snippy" because you are being somewhat dishonest. You say "I have no idea what the mall shooters motivations were. I'm just saying a terrorist act does not have to be political or against the state" but yet your first post said this:
"The perp showed no intention of robbery. He came to the mall with the intention of killing as many people as possible.
So your analogy (much like you) is flawed."
in response to Viking when he said: "Seems like you don't know the difference between terrorism and mass murder. Next you'll tell me that the guy robbing the post office is a terrorist."
This seems to imply that you think the guy was a terrorist. It was quite "snippy" also.
You then appeared to be arguing that Columbine was indeed a terrorist act. In fact you said so:
"I'd define Columbine as a terrorist attack.
What state were they attacking?"
Then you basically use Columbine as an example of "social terrorism":
"Columbine was intended to intimidate a segment of the civilian population.
Side effect was a change of school social policies."
...and you are wrong.
What you describe as "intent" was in fact the consequence of the incident. Those kids wanted to kill other kids. They did not "intend" to intimidate anyone other than those who they felt had wronged them in that school. Do you seriously expect me to buy into the illogical conclusion that they wanted bullied kids around America to rise up against their tormentors? They were far too selfish for that.
Let's look at the FBI definition and remove any reference to politics as it proves my point:
Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce the civilian population in furtherance of social objectives.
Exactly what social objectives were the killers at Columbine trying to...umm...further?
The FBI's definition "I" quoted. You were unable or unwilling to find one yourself and you are now trying to turn it on me.
Okay...but what exactly do the FBI mean by "social objectives?" I cannot read minds but I think you will find that they are referring to incidents of terrorism that actually fit their own definition. "Social obectives" are by their very nature political, but perhaps not "purely political" which I assume is why they included it separately. Abortion clinic bombings is more than likely what they had in mind. Social, in many ways, but also highly political.
Anyway...bottom line here is that in my humble opinion you think the mall shooting was terrorist in nature, whether or not the guy was an Islamic extremist. You also think Columbine was terrorist in nature.
I disagree.
