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« Reply #105 on: February 28, 2007, 03:03:37 PM »
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Again Hap,

I asked you for details. I don't need "technical science" for your solutions I just want to see if you have anything of substance to add. You made a statement, do you have anything at all to back it or is it just another troll line thrown out to boost your post count?


Gee Maverick.  You're right.  

All the Best,

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« Reply #106 on: February 28, 2007, 03:16:51 PM »
We could do something like what Brazil did. They set a goal to eliminate the need for foreign oil and made that goal.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1875850&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

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« Reply #107 on: February 28, 2007, 03:21:41 PM »
Wow.  Good for Brazil.  It's isn't oil free, but they must be singing a happy tune to out of the maws of the Mid East.



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« Reply #108 on: February 28, 2007, 03:37:33 PM »
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But dmf...the green light is so pretty.


Are you the stupid arse in front of me in the mornings looking at it with the blank off of "don't eat the paste" on your face?

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« Reply #109 on: February 28, 2007, 05:37:25 PM »
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Are you the stupid arse in front of me in the mornings looking at it with the blank off of "don't eat the paste" on your face?


Hey, it's morning, give me a break...:D
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« Reply #110 on: February 28, 2007, 05:37:29 PM »
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Are you saying that hydrogen cars will eliminate the need for oil?


No, for example, everything mechanical will still need to be lubricated.   And plastic is a very useful material.   The sooner we stop burning oil for fuel, the better though.    And if we can reduce our consumption we can reduce our dependence on imported oil.

This is just one example (though I think its ultimately where we should go).   Hydrogen can be produced a number of ways.

It'll be a long effort to stop burning petroleum in our vehicles.

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« Reply #111 on: February 28, 2007, 05:42:43 PM »
Plasma Generators that can provide waste to energy, thus elminating the need to produce energy for this purpose, then moving the excess energy onto the grid for consumer consumption.
Sticking them on to Barges that gets you round zoning/permit issues- you heard it here first.

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« Reply #112 on: February 28, 2007, 06:45:06 PM »
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Hey, it's morning, give me a break...:D


It can't be you, how do I know, it didn't take you 3 days to notice I said something

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« Reply #113 on: February 28, 2007, 06:58:05 PM »
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It can't be you, how do I know, it didn't take you 3 days to notice I said something


That's because I have no life...:(


And I ran out of scotch....:cry
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« Reply #114 on: February 28, 2007, 07:57:00 PM »
Oboe,

I agree it's a step in the right direction. It won't take the place of petroleum since there is far more to it other than mere propulsion uses. To my mind it is a far better "solution" than bio diesel or ethanol. We still need something more to really take the place of oil for movement, electricity and heat.

If all of a sudden we lost all access to foriegn oil, the economy would take a hit that would likely take over a decade or two to recover from.
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« Reply #115 on: February 28, 2007, 09:28:26 PM »
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I support the troops, if by doing so I have to support the war, then so be it, I support the war too then.

not a single person that I know of asked to go over there, but they went all but one lieutenant anyway, they did so because they signed an oath, I support them.

Call me a female war monger if you want to, but I really hope we win.


Wow...I'm impressed.
No kidding.

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« Reply #116 on: February 28, 2007, 09:29:46 PM »
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I'll step in and offer Hap a hand- here's just one possibility.  

Hydrogen cars

The sooner we start the better.


Electric Cars
http://www.teslamotors.com

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« Reply #117 on: February 28, 2007, 09:56:39 PM »
Mav,

Complete agreement here.   Ethanol has a few good points, but overall I think the corn-based ethanol industry is another farm subsidy program.   Its not the best solution but its one with big money behind it.  

I don't know that much about biodiesel - though I read a while back about a guy who made a factory that could produce biodiesel from turkey guts.

Heres a sad truth:

 Bush Calls For Renewable Energy but cuts funding

9 million cut from wind energy research in this year's budget, while the Chinese moving full speed ahead on their research have created a magnetic levitation wind generator:

 China announces huge breakthrough in wind power technology

I hate to point out a how small a sum $9 million is compared to the approximately $2 billion we are spend in Iraq per week.

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« Reply #118 on: February 28, 2007, 10:07:04 PM »
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war ends and less of our soldiers die.  that too hard for you to understand?



ya we take our troops home.. every one calls us cowards have more terrorist attacks in the US and then 3000 people die all at once.

we haven't lost even close to as many troops as we did in Vietnam or ww1 and ww2 we cant just leave a war lol. i mean we went to war when they bombed pearl harbor. bombing the trade centers were the same thing but happened a lot faster.  i mean we have captured Saddam hussein and hanged him. personally i think we are doing a great thing for those people. if a democrat pulls us out of the war. we will be screwed big time.

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« Reply #119 on: March 01, 2007, 06:28:43 AM »
Demonslayer's response is an excellent example of the kind of prideful thinking that will keep U.S. troops in the thick of it in Iraq for years to come.
It's not a fear of losing the "war" that keeps the U.S. involved, its a fear of losing face - a reluctance to do anything that could be construed as a "retreat".

In my opinion, the U.S.-Iraq War has been won.   We deposed Saddam, we worked with the Iraqi's to help them develop a constitution, we helped them hold elections to create a democratic government.    The current fighting is a combination of religious-sectarian civil war against Iraq's government and resistance against our occupation.

When Pearl Harbor was attacked, we responded by going to war against Japan.  Attacking Iraq as a response to 9/11 makes as much sense as attacking Mexico would have after the attack on Pearl.    

Its a worse than a shame we still don't even inspect the majority of packages arriving at our ports, and I don't think most ports have the equipment yet to detect a smuggled nuclear weapon.     You'd think that would've been one of the first steps taken, yet still it has not been accomplished.