Smart flying presents HO?

[Chalenge]

Imagine you are flying home with kills or low on fuel or maybe the situation with your squad calls for an rtb so you can regroup. A plane is following you at some distance. He decides to dive to build his speed and close the gap. Now I'm going to go out on a limb here and tell you how I solve this situation and maybe some can learn what the others already know maybe not.

You climb and start a slow turning arc in the direction from whence you came. Your attacker climbs up but obviously he hasn't got the speed to regain alt AND gain what youve added in height so he cant quite get his nose on you. You fire from a ten to thirty degree offset to his nose and blast him out of the sky. He doesnt hit you at all because his nose cant get on you or especially pull lead.

Does he have a right to call it a HO? Does this sort of character call anything from the front a ho?

My collection of private messge whines is growing.

[B@tfinkV]

if the enemy can't get guns on you, it isnt a HO.

thats just a rope, and it sounds like a good one.

even when they do get guns on and they are wobbling about spraying from 800 yrds below you, its still fair to shoot, imo.


if you got a whine, and you dont feel cheap taking the shot......all the better!


most people know when a HO is a cheap shot, it should be obvious to anyon e with experience when a rope is a rope not a HO.

[hubsonfire]

If both guys have a shot, it's a HO. If one guy doesn't, it's not. If you can get shot in the face without being able to shoot the other guy, well, tough luck. Get a shiny new cartoon plane in the hangar and try again.

[Kermit de frog]

What if the enemy had enough E to get with 200 from you while going straight up?

Unfortuneately, at the time you were stalled, above your enemy, your nose was coming back down.

The enemy see's this and instead of shooting you nose to nose (or high deflection), he veers off to the side, only to be blasted by the guy above him?

Now, if you want, the enemy can keep shooting at you and since you are above, maybe you should be the one to move out the way.  As you can see, that previous sentence will not work practically.  

Solution:
What will work is if everyone would avoid high deflection shots and learn to get behind his 3/9 line.  Fights last longer, more fun for everyone and you get to use some skill.

[B@tfinkV]

i agree sort of kermit, i am one of those who has whined about a cheap ho in the past.



but i do for sure think that in the vertical during an MA furball, rather than a 1 on 1, a typhoon will be foolish not to take a shot on a spit16, the typh wont ever again get enough E to rope the spit unless he rns away first.



it always depends who i am fighting, if i am with a friend or a well known adversary, i will not shoot even on rolling scissors snap shots etc, just to make the fight last longer.

if im fighting an unknown foe in the main in a busy sector....unless you are flying right at me with guns blazing(or more unlikely, holding nose on but not shooting) i dont count it as a ho.

if i see that the guy climbing the rope has held fire, then i will too on the way down, but stupid to hold fire when they are spraying at you as they stall out, thatsa an invitation to return fire at once, imo.





i geuss for me it all comes down to knowing who i am fighting, and evaluating the chances of making a gun solution on said opponent again if i hold fire.


1 on 1 i will never ho even in the vertical, i pay for a FLIGHT SIM not a SHOOTING GALLERY.

[FiLtH]

The way I see it the guns face forward. You have about 340 degress where they cant hit you. If you put yourself in the 20 degree area where a guy can hit you, dems da breaks. People will shoot at your plane in here regardless if its headon or not. Best thing to do is learn how to give them the worst shot possible while he's trying.

[BaldEagl]

Here's another scenario.  

You've already gone through the merge and maybe even been fighting for a while in a one on one, both trying to gain angles.  You're at a point where you're off-set enough that as you each turn you are flying almost toward one another, both trying to pull the nose around onto the other as you pass.  You have the deflection shot and your opponent doesnt.

Are some of you saying you wouldn't take that shot?  I would and I wouldn't view it as a HO.

This scenario seems to be more common to me than a true HO but I love turn fighting so I see it a lot.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Solution:
What will work is if everyone would avoid high deflection shots and learn to get behind his 3/9 line.  Fights last longer, more fun for everyone and you get to use some skill.

Very well stated.......except I put it at 9:30/2:30 line!  hee hee

Mark

[soupcan]

Originally posted by Chalenge

Does he have a right to call it a HO?

lol "right to call it a HO". so what? let him whine.

for myself i have been trying to refrain from firing on the merge if its a true HO and ducking out of the the way because if the other pilot doesn't HO then i
know the fight will be about gaining the advantage. (even if they pummle me in 20 secs it still feels better than automatically trying for the HO shot)

7 times out of 10 the opponent opens up at last minute and i find myself in tower. if only i had squeezed trigger, might have been him in tower but still doesn't make me get on 200 and cry about the HO.

in certain situations you should know the opponent will HO.
for example planes such as the niki, il2 and 110. avoid or sqeeze trigger, it's up to you. also when folk are defending their field it's understandable.(they probably have just lifted and have no E to deal with the incoming "ALT monkeys".

Chalenge i think it comes down to there are certain people in this game who
cannot get shot down without whining on 200 about it.
play the game the way that feel right to you and ignore the BS.

[Hornet33]

Who cares????

[lagger86]

Originally posted by soupcan


Chalenge i think it comes down to there are certain people in this game who
cannot get shot down without whining on 200 about it.
play the game the way that feel right to you and ignore the BS.

[Charge]

"Does he have a right to call it a HO?"

Why not but who cares? You shouldn't.

Sounds like a brilliant move to me. I'd take that shot anytime.

I always take a HO if I think that I might have a firing window and the other one doesn't. I hate myself when I misjudge the situation and get damage from HO:ing.

-C+

[FALCONWING]

i cant believe im gonna post to this topic again...but its early and im bored..


take any shot you want...gun solution is gun solution...

if the guy who is gonna whine about a HO doesnt want to be HO'd he can:

1.     FLY AWAY (but that would take patience and discipline so it becomes YOUR responsibility to fight like he wants you too)

2.     FLY A PLANE THAT CAN WIN A HO (but that would mean not using a early war popcorn shooting machine and setting convergences at distances that dont favor close angles shots..so that too is inconvenient and how dare you not fly like he wants you too)

3.      FLY  WITH A WINGMAN SO THEY CAN TAKE TURNS MAKING YOU MANEUVER SO YOU CANT HO THEM  (but that is inconvenient and would require making friends or being part of an organized group...so how dare you force them to not be individualists)

4.       NOT FLY DIRECTLY AT YOU AND EXPECT YOU NOT TOO SHOOT (but alas that is inconvenient and if he tries to break one way or the other you will achieve positional advantage and then you would shoot him down from behind and heavens then he couldnt whine at you easily...so just forget that idea mister)

5.       HE COULD ALSO REALIZE THAT THE MA IS NOT A DUELING ARENA AND QUIT INSISTING ON 1v1'S AND SITUATIONS WHERE HIS EXPERTISE WILL DOMINATE (but that would require a level of insight that we should not expect of veterans...)

[storch]

this thread is done, the gang banging shed whacker has pontificated, again.

[Ghastly]

No, only if you (both) screw up in an engagement do you end up with simultaneous head to head shots.  Neither one of you flew smart, or you'd have flown differently so that you have a shot and he doesn't.