French Fighters

[Sombra]

Maybe if the germans had attacked France in 1941 the french would have had the better planes:

http://avia.russian.ee/air/france/bloch_mb-157.php

[Knegel]

Hi,

1941 the germans also had better planes(109F) and 710km/h seems to be a "bit" optimistic for that radial driven 1200HP plane.

Btw, the D.520 was rather in the lass of the AH Hurri (BoB Hurri), not in that of the Spit1a and 109E4.

Greetings,

Knegel

[straffo]

Originally posted by Knegel
Hi,

1941 the germans also had better planes(109F) and 710km/h seems to be a "bit" optimistic for that radial driven 1200HP plane.

Btw, the D.520 was rather in the lass of the AH Hurri (BoB Hurri), not in that of the Spit1a and 109E4.

Greetings,

Knegel

Right except you're comparing apple and orange : think D530

[Vespasiano]

Originally posted by Sombra
Maybe if the germans had attacked France in 1941 the french would have had the better planes

Yes, but that's why they attacked France in 1940

It's easy to be imaginating things like that

[Angus]

Originally posted by Knegel
Hi,

1941 the germans also had better planes(109F) and 710km/h seems to be a "bit" optimistic for that radial driven 1200HP plane.

Btw, the D.520 was rather in the lass of the AH Hurri (BoB Hurri), not in that of the Spit1a and 109E4.

Greetings,

Knegel

It reads 1268 KW in 8000 metres, which would make 1724hp at 26.230 feet. That is a LOT of power at that altitude, while the drag of a radial goes less in the thin air. My guess is though, that the aircraft would have been heavier once standardized for the airforce, thereby slower.

[Knegel]

Yep Angus, you be right, i did overview the kW, thought its HP!

But anyway, i doubt they had such a engine, if yes, the germans whould have been happy to copy it. 1726HP in 8000m would have been the solution of all the problems in 1943/44.

Straffo, wh y do i compare apples and oranges?

We have the BoB Hurri, Spit, 109E4 and 110C4 and you wanna have the D.520, not the 530, right?

We would need the pre BoB Hurri and Spit(no constant speed prop) and the 109E1 + early E3(lower rated alt etc) to have the fitting oponents and wingi planes.

There is a not to smal step between BoF and BoB.

Greetings,

Knegel

[Angus]

Yup.
All those changes. Like BoB introduced the Spit with CS prop and 100 oct fuel, a long way from the 1939 Spit. As well as the Mk II, and one squadron of cannon armed ones (based at Rochford I think)
Wasn't the LW also using 109D's in some numbers at the BoF?
As for that Bloch, wouldn't that engine give a similar yeald to a BMW radial??

[Knegel]

Hi,

the BMW801 never did reach such a power in high alt. 1685PS in 5800m was max and this was already with the C3 injection and "Erhöhte Ladedruck", introduced in summer 1944, but still the power decreased much above 6000m. Only the GM1 injection gave more power on high alt, but nothing close to 1726HP.

Greetings,

Knegel

[straffo]

Originally posted by Knegel
Straffo, wh y do i compare apples and oranges?

 

As far as I know the E4 was not much used before BoB

You covered it in your post  

[quintv]

Anyone who thinks the D.520 can't stand up to the Bf.109E4 is free to use my account in wwiiol to test such theories.

Send me a PM for my account details.

[Angus]

I always thougth that the BMW eventually got to 1800 or even 2000 ps.
Maybe been listening too much to those 190 geeks..

[Knegel]

Hi,

it always depends to the flightmodel, but iam pretty sure with RL planes the D520 would have had real trouble vs a not suprised E4 with a pilot who know to use its plane.

Of course also a HurriI1, I-16 and D520 could shoot down a 109E4, but in general they was outclassed, the D520 probably even more than the BoB Hurri, cause it wasnt able to outturn the 109E4, like the Hurri, it had nothing important what it could do better, but some things where it was less good.

As i wrote before, the engine was the drawback of the D520 and already vs the 109E1 and E3 it was in trouble.

btw, do anyone have a powercurve for the engine and times to overheat etc??

Greetings,  

Knegel

[wstpt10]

Originally posted by straffo
As far as I know the E4 was not much used before BoB

You covered it in your post  

If it did, it's use was limited. There were Doras, some of which had the early MG/FF (15mm) firing through the prop spinner like F, G, and K models. Others packed a mean four BB guns.

Kne, the Dewo was loved by its pilots. That does a lot more to convince me that they were good aircraft than numbers alone.

[quintv]

In real life planes with pure speed disadvantages still faired well due to the type of combat that took place, it wasn't a gaming arena with people zooming around trying to get a high score, the objective was to get in and fight the enemy. It has a wicked roll rate as compared to the Emils (read; its maneuverable as hell), packed a very effective centreline cannon, and its zomg dweeb stall turn wasn't clearly worse.

We have actual combat records of how the plane faired, and yet you tell us what would have happened in RL.

[Charge]

"Anyone who thinks the D.520 can't stand up to the Bf.109E4 is free to use my account in wwiiol to test such theories."

I doubt that Dewo in AH would be like the one in WW2OL. The test actually says that the Dewo could match the turn of 109 with a nasty departure if pulled any tighter. In WW2OL the Dewo beats the 109E4 easily in turning contest. And the roll rate description is very vague. It was probably better that that of 109E but how much actually. The Dewo's wing does not seem to have such features that would make it phenomenal but I'm ready to believe it was "good" in rolling.

For my part I support having any early French (or French-used) fighter in AH.

Otherwise we would need to go to Korea-era to get better and faster planes...

This is a WW2 era simulation and I think those French planes fit the description very well.

-C+