Author Topic: French Fighters (Read 9731 times)

quintv · « **Reply #75 on:** March 09, 2007, 07:11:11 PM »

This thread needs pachy, the resident D.520 expert on "another" forum to wtfpwn all the noobs

Krusty · « **Reply #76 on:** March 09, 2007, 07:15:13 PM »

I've made my points. Whether anybody agrees with me or not is their problem.

The Spitfire it wasn't.

The 109 it wasn't.

The P51 it wasn't.

These were representatives of their respective air forces. The D.520 wasn't representative of the majority of the French Air Force.

Having typed that, I'm done here.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #77 on:** March 09, 2007, 07:23:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Go flamebait elsewhere, bronk. I hear the BKs are doing something, you might wanna go hump furball's leg or something.

Adding the D.520 would be like adding the P-63. Almost no impact on the war.

Kind of like adding the Ta152?

ack-ack

TwinBoom · « **Reply #78 on:** March 09, 2007, 07:35:03 PM »

to say it played no part is the most ironic statment

i can find alot more info that ive read that blows ur uncanny views outa the water i mean do you ever think or read a book b4 opening your mouth

jesus........................ .....

quintv · « **Reply #79 on:** March 09, 2007, 08:14:13 PM »

It was competative with the Marks of Spits and 109s it was contemporary with, its record in the war and its modeling in other games agree with that.

Do you have any idea at all about what some of the developments were planned down the line and were in prototype stage at the armistice? Had indigenous french development continued (had france not capitulated) its lineage would have very much progressed at the pace of its counterparts. Its is not a non-starter by a long shot.

You seem to personally dislike it for some reason but that is your deal/

Bronk · « **Reply #80 on:** March 09, 2007, 09:45:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Kind of like adding the Ta152?

ack-ack

*snicker*

Bronk

Benny Moore · « **Reply #81 on:** March 09, 2007, 11:17:28 PM »

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Originally posted by TwinBoom

What's up with this, and what markings are those?

Bruv119 · « **Reply #82 on:** March 10, 2007, 01:10:16 AM »

What the french guy and TB said.

Its not the fact that it is French that it should be included. The Battle for France (Whilst very short) was a prelude to the Battle of Britain.

Diversity is a key for AH to my knowledge WW20L is the only other online sim that has it and they have too because they are limited to early war stuff.

It would be used in the EW arena and scenario setups. Therefore not a hangar queen.

The French are a very proud nation all the usual mickey taking aside I believe letting them have one tiny plane in respect to all of those men, women and children who would have been slain by the Boche in the Blitzkreig isn't much to ask.

Lets see how many extra French subs may appear just because they get a minor representation.

Viva La France!

Bruv
~S~

Vespasiano · « **Reply #83 on:** March 10, 2007, 01:28:40 AM »

Thanks Bruv119,

Perhaps we are a proud nation, but I think we are above all wanting to remember our history, you may understand this : you, american or british people, want to commemorate those who fought and died at Pearl Harbor or during the Battle of Britain, as we want to commemorate our pilots that fought during this really difficult days of june 1940.

krusty, you say d520 was not representative of french air force, but please read what I had wrote, I'll put it again :
--if we ask a ms406 what will you say ? You are already criticising the performances of the D-520...
--After the french defeat, D-520 is more representative of the french aviation of Vichy in North Africa than ms406.

Perhaps french aviation and whole french army isn't really respected by other nations because of these defeat, but you must know that it wasn't a poor army, they fought as well as they could, it's right that british considered the Armistice as a treason, but the situation after the departure of the english squadron was really difficult.
I think we made all necessary in RAF and VVS squadrons to show our pilots weren-t so bad and wanted to fight again.

Know, we're just totally respecting american; british or russian aviation, but it is quite surprising to see french fighters missing, as punishing for this defeat...

At least that's what we can do better in France : be proud in defeat

Krusty · « **Reply #84 on:** March 10, 2007, 01:51:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Kind of like adding the Ta152?

ack-ack

No, kind of like what I said, not what you tried to put into my mouth. Just for clarification, it's kind of like adding the D.520.

Oh, and bronk, try to hold down the snickering when you're fondling BK organs. It's unbecoming. As for Ack-Ack, he really had no reason to post this other than to try to start an argument. After I PMed him privately and asked him not to act like an arse (like the BKs) he quickly forwards my PM to the BKs. So maybe he's next in line after Bronk gets in? I don't want to know how they "recruit" folks...

Sorry, back on topic, stop putting words in my mouth. I never brought the Ta152 into this. If we had NO LW planes at all, whatsoever, and this was the first one ever being added, every last person would stop and say "wtf?? Why do you want to add THAT! It has no place in this game!"

Bruv119 · « **Reply #85 on:** March 10, 2007, 02:29:44 AM »

"By the time of the armistice at the end of June, 437 D.520's had been built and 351 of these had been delivered. In that time they had 108 confirmed kills and 39 probables, losing 54 to enemy action. As French resistance collapsed in the middle of June, GC I/3, II/3, III/3, III/6 and II/7 flew their aircraft to Algeria. Three more from GC III/7 escaped to Britain and 153 machines remained in France."

Ok assuming the probables were actual kills thats nearly a 3-1 kill ratio against the luftwaffe. Had 1 20mm cannon in the prop and 4x 7.5mm machine guns. Not a bad package for the period. A top speed of 332Mph.

Also a wider role in N Africa as Vespasiano mentioned.

I can't see any reason why we could object to having this plane added to fill the gaps in EW. Another little plane is the I-16 that I would like to see here too.

Bruv
~S~

Vespasiano · « **Reply #86 on:** March 10, 2007, 03:00:54 AM »

Someone asked if our ingeneers had planned to make other versions of this plane : the answer is no, but another prototype was being prepared : Dewoitine D-550
Without the quick end of the war, following Dewoitine would have had better performances, but that's only imagination and not reality

Max Speed supposed : 703km/h, I think it must be around 425mph.
It was destroyed in an allied bombing and never used by Vichy's government.

I agree with you about the I-16, some will say again that it has not its place in the game because of its lack of performances... some spanish and sovietic pilots managed to fly against Messerschmitt 109 so that must be possible in a game.

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
What's up with this, and what markings are those?

they are Bulgarian Markings.

Knegel · « **Reply #87 on:** March 10, 2007, 07:43:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Why do you want to add THAT! It has no place in this game!"

Who say that and why??

For now i dont know any other rules to add a planes than it must be a full production aircraft that saw combat.
The Ta152H, Arado, Me163 and Me262 was more rare.

The performence was as good as the F4F, maybe better and the HurriIa, Spit1a and 109E4 could need some oponents as well.

At least i dont see a reason why the D.520 and other EW planes shouldnt get included.

Greetings,

Knegel

Bronk · « **Reply #88 on:** March 10, 2007, 09:44:33 AM »

OT
Once again for those who don't get it.
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Ohh Krusty it's ohh so funny to watch you unhinge over an avitar.
The calling into question of my sexual orientation.

That's kinda low on the intelligence scale for a self proclaimed perpetual school boy.
Maybe if you read just one more book you could do better.

On topic.
I am unopposed to any ac that flew during ww2.
Especially the much overlooked early war/pre US involvement
Adds for interesting match ups I think.

Bronk

Krusty · « **Reply #89 on:** March 10, 2007, 11:18:48 AM »

Knegel, that wasn't about the D.520. That was hypothetical.

Bronk I never called into question your orientation. I just said (regardless of it) you suck so-and-so to gain acceptance as one of the BKs. Don't know why, as they're one of the worst group of griefers in this so-called community.