Author Topic: Hypocritical? (Read 1829 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 10, 2007, 11:22:22 PM »

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Originally posted by JB88
a lie is still a lie is still a lie....

then why is libby going to jail and clinton is not?

JB88 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 10, 2007, 11:26:13 PM »

irrelevant.

a lie is a lie is a lie...and a liar is a liar is a liar.

john9001 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 10, 2007, 11:36:06 PM »

so , your saying clinton should go to jail for 30 yrs for obstruction of justice?

JB88 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 10, 2007, 11:56:29 PM »

no. i am saying that a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie...

how am i not being clear about this?

VWE · « **Reply #49 on:** March 11, 2007, 12:03:42 AM »

Hey... speakin of ol' Willy, where the heck has that boy been? I mean his little wifey is runnin for his old job and he aint been any where visible? Tell me the press aint in on that one!

Dago · « **Reply #50 on:** March 11, 2007, 12:08:12 AM »

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Originally posted by JB88
no. i am saying that a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie...

how am i not being clear about this?

Since you come on this board with this childish "lie is a lie is a lie" nonsense, somehow trying to take a position of some perfect moral high ground, I would like you to tell me, and all that read this thread, that you have managed to go through life without ever having told a lie. Tell us of your great virtue that you should sit in judgement of Newt, or anyone.

Of course, if you try, you will only be lieing yourself. Everyone lies.

But, would you do it in front of a grand jury, would you swear an oath on the bible to answer questions honestly, would you at least at that point decide to have a small modicum of honor in you, a respect for our laws, and the smallest amount of integrity that Clinton lacked, or would you lie like a coward who throws all self-respect out the window in order to try and decieve?

JB88 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 11, 2007, 12:26:51 AM »

what anyone else did is irrelevant.

no. i would not do what newt gingrich did. and no, that does not make me morally superior or give me some sense of holier than thou. on the contrary.

lets not pretend that something isnt what it is. and lets not pretend that what he did was insignificant. and lets not try to compare his actions against the actions of others to mute his complete infidelity, both to the god that the religious right so righteously cherish, but to his wife and to the american people.

argue semantics and circumstance all that you want but it doesnt change a thing.

a lie is a lie.

as far as childish goes...consider it a refresher course in the basics. free of charge.

(or do you teach your kids that it is okay to do what newt does because it isnt as bad as what bill did?)

a lie. is a lie. is a lie.

Sixpence · « **Reply #52 on:** March 11, 2007, 03:17:04 AM »

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Originally posted by VWE
Hey... speakin of ol' Willy, where the heck has that boy been? I mean his little wifey is runnin for his old job and he aint been any where visible? Tell me the press aint in on that one!

He's hangin with GH boozin it up with women on bourbon street. Keep those donations comin', w00t!

Mightytboy · « **Reply #53 on:** March 11, 2007, 01:11:57 PM »

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Originally posted by JB88
what anyone else did is irrelevant.

no. i would not do what newt gingrich did. and no, that does not make me morally superior or give me some sense of holier than thou. on the contrary.

lets not pretend that something isnt what it is. and lets not pretend that what he did was insignificant. and lets not try to compare his actions against the actions of others to mute his complete infidelity, both to the god that the religious right so righteously cherish, but to his wife and to the american people.

argue semantics and circumstance all that you want but it doesnt change a thing.

a lie is a lie.

as far as childish goes...consider it a refresher course in the basics. free of charge.

(or do you teach your kids that it is okay to do what newt does because it isnt as bad as what bill did?)

a lie. is a lie. is a lie.

What did he lie about?

He had an affair and from what I understand everyone knew about it but no one said anything about it. Does that mean he lied? No!

Clinton lied to everyone.....EVERYONE. Hell he is still lying to this day and you somehow want to say it's the same thing?

I've seen dead dogs that had a better grasp on reality.

Hap · « **Reply #54 on:** March 11, 2007, 01:40:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Mightytboy
He had an affair and from what I understand everyone knew about it but no one said anything about it. Does that mean he lied? No!

Mightyboy, I didn't keep tabs on the Gingrich Affair, but I think what JB is driving at, and apologies in advance if I err, the timeframe is coincidental with the Clinton Affair.

To pillory someone for adultery, that is have a hand, lend your voice, root 'em on, etc while one also is being unfaithful to one's spouse is considered in some circles to be bad form.

My own view is let him who is wihtout sin among you cast the first stone. That bounces me off the stone throwing team.

When we ask that our leaders be moral, and find they are not, our reactions can often reveal more about ourselves than their misdeeds.

Should anyone say they are "moral" in any meaningful way -- I'm not talking about some subjective self-styled bogus morality -- they should also behave mercifully. For if they be truthful, they themselves are in need of mercy though perhaps not due the same misdeed.

FWIW, one of the most horrifying short stories in the canon of American literature is "Young Goodman Brown" written by Hawthorne. Poe is spooky as in "boo" I got you. Hawthorne you can't shake he is so unsettling.

All the Best,

hap

Dago · « **Reply #55 on:** March 11, 2007, 03:05:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Hap
Mightyboy, I didn't keep tabs on the Gingrich Affair, but I think what JB is driving at, and apologies in advance if I err, the timeframe is coincidental with the Clinton Affair.

To pillory someone for adultery, that is have a hand, lend your voice, root 'em on, etc while one also is being unfaithful to one's spouse is considered in some circles to be bad form.

My own view is let him who is wihtout sin among you cast the first stone. That bounces me off the stone throwing team.

When we ask that our leaders be moral, and find they are not, our reactions can often reveal more about ourselves than their misdeeds.

Should anyone say they are "moral" in any meaningful way -- I'm not talking about some subjective self-styled bogus morality -- they should also behave mercifully. For if they be truthful, they themselves are in need of mercy though perhaps not due the same misdeed.

FWIW, one of the most horrifying short stories in the canon of American literature is "Young Goodman Brown" written by Hawthorne. Poe is spooky as in "boo" I got you. Hawthorne you can't shake he is so unsettling.

All the Best,

hap

I don't think you should lose sight of the reality that when you are POTUS, and you have recently had an affair with an intern, you open yourself up to blackmail and extortion. That is my bigger concern when someone in such an important position exercises such horrible judgement and lack of control.

john9001 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 11, 2007, 03:17:35 PM »

hap, clinton committed perjury, it doesnt matter what he lied about , he broke the law.

Hap · « **Reply #57 on:** March 11, 2007, 03:19:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
That is my bigger concern when someone in such an important position exercises such horrible judgement and lack of control.

Yes Dago. Mine as well.

Regards,

hap

Mightytboy · « **Reply #58 on:** March 11, 2007, 03:23:46 PM »

I understand what he is saying. I don't disagree that Newt was being immoral but that is not the same as lying under oath.

They both had affairs...who cares? That was never the issue. The issue was his lying to the grand jury. He was trying to cover up his alleged sex crime.

His crime is in no way the same as Newt having an affair.

I am in no way defending Newt and if you want to compare him to Slick on the affair issue I will agree they are the same.

If you want to say Newt's affair is the same as Slick's lying to the Grand Jury then I would have to strongly disagree.

JB88 · « **Reply #59 on:** March 11, 2007, 05:59:00 PM »

try to wash what he did away with comparison as much as you want doesnt change a thing.

a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.

a liar is a liar is a liar.

a hypocrit is a hypocrite is a hypocrite.

(what? are you guys cheating on your wives or something?)