Author Topic: Hypocritical? (Read 2084 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 11, 2007, 06:27:25 PM »

" lalalalalalala"

JB88 · « **Reply #61 on:** March 11, 2007, 06:35:24 PM »

funny. you seem to be confusing my steadfastness with ignorance.

i can do it all day.

(perhaps i should use a symbol like ~* to mean a lie is a lie is a lie...hmmmm)

~*

Kieran · « **Reply #62 on:** March 11, 2007, 06:38:12 PM »

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Originally posted by JB88
try to wash what he did away with comparison as much as you want doesnt change a thing.

a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.

a liar is a liar is a liar.

a hypocrit is a hypocrite is a hypocrite.

(what? are you guys cheating on your wives or something?)

I have stated Newt is a scumbag unworthy of service...

but...

...remember the primary purpose of the presidency is to make sure the laws of the land are carried out. In the course of lying not only was Clinton breaking the law, but he was doing it for the purpose of denying a citizen of the country their Constitutional rights.

So...

...it ain't a black-and-white issue the way you are making it sound, JB. I agree with you Clinton is not the issue here, but let's not minimize what he did to the point of absurdity.

JB88 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 11, 2007, 06:45:43 PM »

i am not minimizing it. i am tossing it out as a non-issue. different man. different bad.

JB88 · « **Reply #64 on:** March 11, 2007, 07:00:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
I don't think you should lose sight of the reality that when you are POTUS, and you have recently had an affair with an intern, you open yourself up to blackmail and extortion. That is my bigger concern when someone in such an important position exercises such horrible judgement and lack of control.

its not like speaker of the house is an important job that should be held to any kind of standard or anything.

(rolls eyes)

Kieran · « **Reply #65 on:** March 11, 2007, 07:40:04 PM »

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Originally posted by JB88
i am not minimizing it. i am tossing it out as a non-issue. different man. different bad.

Actually I think they are related. I think you are absolutely correct to say that a man who, as the head of the "moral party" was himself engaged in the same (or worse) behavior as the man he sought to unseat. The fact Clinton lied under oath was the byproduct of the Right's attempt to get him at all costs for anything whatsoever. Whether or not that was right or wrong, Newt had no business pursuing the issue given his own personal infidelities.

I guess I'm saying Newt misreprented himself, sought to replace a man who was no more immoral than he was. Whether or not he came right out and with his mouth lied about his situation matters not a bit. It would be absurd to have to personally question under oath each and every senator or representative at all levels of government on every single possible transgression, but that's what the apologists for Newt are suggesting. "He wasn't asked, so he didn't lie"? Absurd.

We should expect exemplary character from our leaders. I am not saying infallible, but we should hold them accountable for what they do. When I vote, I do vote based on character as much as anything else. I will take a sincere man or women, even if they are politically opposed to me, over a liar or cheat in my party any day of the week. I'm just foolish enough to believe a sincere person has more value to me as a leader than someone who has no difficulty in trying to hide things from me.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #66 on:** March 11, 2007, 07:59:04 PM »

Regardless of what Newt did in his personal time, he brought us this:
Contract with America.

And implemented the following bills:

The Fiscal Responsibility Act: An amendment to the Constitution that would require a balanced budget, unless sanctioned by a 3/5 vote in both houses of Congress.(Funny, we tend to think Clinton balances the budget...)

The Taking Back Our Streets Act:An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in-sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions.

The Personal Responsibility Act:An act to cut spending for welfare programs by means of discouraging illegitimacy and teen pregnancy.

The American Dream Restoration Act: An act to create a $500-per-child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle-class tax relief.

The National Security Restoration Act: An act to prevent U.S. troops from serving under United Nations command unless the president determines it is necessity for the purposes of national security, to cut US payments for UN peacekeeping operations, and to help establish guidelines for the voluntary integration of former Warsaw Pact nations into NATO.

The "Common Sense" Legal Reform Act: An act to institute "Loser pays" laws (H.R.988, passed 232-193, 3/7/95), limits on punitive damages and reform of product-liability laws to prevent what the bill considered frivolous litigation. (Clinton veto'd this, surprise! His wife was a lawyer!)

The Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act: A package of measures to act as small-business incentives; capital-gains cuts and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages. (Yet we still think of Clinton being responsible for the tech boom!)

The Citizen Legislature Act: An amendment to the Constitution that would have imposed 12-year term limits on members of the US Congress (i.e. six terms for Representatives, two terms for Senators). (Rejected by the US House)

Kieran · « **Reply #67 on:** March 11, 2007, 08:06:51 PM »

Ripsnort, it's fair to say someone could post a long list of Clinton's accomplishments, and it would be every bit as valid.

I disliked Clinton intensely; anyone who read this board during his presidency knows that. But it was his character I found so disgusting, not his political acumen.

I find Newt no less repugnant. It may be even more so, because Newt was roasting Clinton while living a lie himself.

I don't lockstep with any party. Crap stinks no matter who lays it.

Sixpence · « **Reply #68 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:47:49 AM »

Clinton brought about the Family Medical Leave Act, that doesn't give him the right to lie under oath.

JB88 · « **Reply #69 on:** March 12, 2007, 01:06:56 AM »

it's not about clinton or what clinton did. it's about gingrich and what gingrich did.

Xargos · « **Reply #70 on:** March 12, 2007, 03:00:22 AM »

Clinton brought us NAFTA, and for that alone he should be drawn and quartered.

JB88 · « **Reply #71 on:** March 12, 2007, 03:12:18 AM »

"it seems to be like some sort of virus that takes over the host captain."

Xargos · « **Reply #72 on:** March 12, 2007, 03:26:13 AM »

We're coming for you next 88.

JB88 · « **Reply #73 on:** March 12, 2007, 03:27:09 AM »

bring it.

JB88 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 12, 2007, 03:38:28 AM »

knock knock knock...

me - "who iiiiiiis iiiiiit?"

them - "crazy people who have been brainwashed to follow leaders who could care less about us and yet we love them so."

me - "hiel reagan and alls zat iz zee republicanz partiez of amerikaaaaaz!!! HEIL BOOOSH!!!! DOWN WIZ ZEE KLINTONZ!!!!"

them - "must be the wrong house. sorry to have bothered you sir"