sooo.. how many of you guys...

[Hungry]

Never,

But let me explain,  Ive got five kids and so far two grandchildren.  I wouldnt change a thing and in my wildest dreams we grow old together and pass it on to the kids.  But if anything ever happens to her god forbid, I just couldnt see myself being with anyone else, it truly was love at first site and still is every morning when I see her wake up next to me.

Chick flicks, if its a good movie Ill watch it

Politics, I respect her opinion in all matters, have to, she just has to much common sense not to.

Compromise, when you decide to share your life with someone its not a compromising situation its sharing situation.

[Halo]

One of the more interesting examples of guys changing radically for their wives is Lee Strobel, the journalist whose wife's becoming a Christian caused him to "investigate" Christianity and eventually become a prolific author of such pro Christian books as The Case for a Creator.

If interested in more details, just Google for Lee Strobel and you'll find a wealth of material, including supporters and detractors.

[storch]

what people seem to discount is that in any human social interaction we are both influencing and being influenced by the people we interact with.  even if you disagree with the person's position on any given issue, if you are paying attention you will be influenced.  if you aren't then there is something wrong with you.

[AWMac]

Originally posted by storch
what people seem to discount is that in any human social interaction we are both influencing and being influenced by the people we interact with.  even if you disagree with the person's position on any given issue, if you are paying attention you will be influenced.  if you aren't then there is something wrong with you.

That's it Storch!!!!

Marry me and you'll be the Happiest Bride evar!!!!





Mac

[lazs2]

yep... we would all be happier if women could be women and men had the strength to make sure that they were.

These days.. I find that women are trying to be men and men are trying to be more like women...  This type of behavior is considered the hight of sensitivity and fairness in blue areas of the country.

There are no good chick flics...

Women don't have good ideas on politics... even the best of em, if you listen long enough, interject estrogen into the politics.   Many men are no better tho these days.. they have been feminized so far as politics.   security above freedom.

young.. no, almost all white American women are pretty much a lost cause.  They want to turn the men into women and then whine about there being no real men left.  

lazs

[moot]

I am no PhD in psychology, but I think a lot of people never completely shed their instincts from early age..
Most of the wimpy (openly or not) people I know seem to be in some degree or other of denial (or on their way out of it) that their time in mama's womb is over.. perpetually lost in need for it and/or fancying various false substitutes for it.
Never replacing that crap with truth and reason.

we would all be happier if women could be women

That's almost exactly as I think of it.. I have met only a few girls and women that seemed to be on the path to being absolutely true to themselves, of making no compromises to what they want for themselves.
I wouldn't want to live with someone who most wanted anything else than that.

[lazs2]

yep... I look at the divorced women who are in management postitions and they all seem to bemoan the fact that they can't find a decent man.   Yet... when I deal with them it is like dealing with a man... A very anal and petulant and uncomprimising and illogical man but..  a man none the less... I know I would not want to be in their bed and home.

I can't imagine how a woman would want to be with a man who worried as much about his hair and perfume and clothes and makeup as they do.. who would watch chic flics and weep for no reason.   Who would buckle under any pressure even when he thought he was right or..  espouse womanly ideas about securtity...  A man who would not learn to shoot and would not kill to defend himself or them.

A man who would lock himself in his room when a burglar came and call the police for them to send out a woman cop to take care of the problem...  

lazs

[lukster]

'Til death do us part was a vow my wife and I both take seriously. Would either of us remarry in the event one of us dies? Hard to say. A recent tragedy makes it less likely than before I think.

Life is full of compromise though and you can compromise without giving up your values and principles.

[moot]

I don't mean anything machiavellian, just personal goals like everyone has.  
Tolerance for unhapiness, for example, is usually bad news to come, in my experience.

[Halo]

Lots of interesting points in this thread, but a main positive one that sometimes gets overshadowed is the bliss of loving someone more than yourself, being so attracted and mesmerized by another being that you would do anything for her or him.  

Ideally that would be reciprocated, although as my wise momma once told me early in life, long before I realized what it meant, "One loves and the other is loved," meaning, "One member of a couple always loves more than the other one."

That may be true but I have always resisted examining that in any detail because one illusion I need to keep is the possibility of two people absolutely loving each other beyond all else (dunno what that means, but shur sounds purty).

[storch]

halo, that does exist and can exist in any relationship.  to have a friend one must first be a friend.  some people reciprocate in kind.  the adage that birds of a feather flock together also applies in a positive sense.

[Torque]

the beast known as unconditional love.

women are prone to it due to their gathering and nurturing nature, for men it often comes with the birth of a child, some people never get it.

storch is somewhat right tho, in life, you usually get what you are.

[lazs2]

"unconditional love"?   if that is the definition of women then how would you explain that 90% or better of all divorces are filled by women?

When I give my word I do my best to keep it.   Nothing wrong with that but... You can't always do so.   A marriage contract involves two people..

The intentions of the honorable one are not important if the other one doesn't care.   Or... if they simply find something they like better.   It is not much so far as contracts go... one of the most frivolous ones out there... no one faults someone for breaking it.  No one says  "so and so left the marriage.. they are a dishonest person not to be trusted".



lazs

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by lazs2
"unconditional love"?   if that is the definition of women then how would you explain that 90% or better of all divorces are filled by women?

When I give my word I do my best to keep it.   Nothing wrong with that but... You can't always do so.   A marriage contract involves two people..

The intentions of the honorable one are not important if the other one doesn't care.   Or... if they simply find something they like better.   It is not much so far as contracts go... one of the most frivolous ones out there... no one faults someone for breaking it.  No one says  "so and so left the marriage.. they are a dishonest person not to be trusted".



lazs

LOL I keep wondering why you are so intent on convincing those of us in good marriages that we're being decieved, lied to, manipulated and the like.

I also wonder why you care?  You clearly are content with your situation.  Can't I be content with mine?

It's almost like you are feeling guilty for your marriage attempts not working.  

If there is one thing you've made clear in your posts on anything Laz, it's that you are absolute in your opinions and beliefs and there is no other answer in your mind, or that if there is another answer it's wrong

[lazs2]

well... lets just say that any other answer is wrong for me... at this time.

People evolve...  as they evolve they change their minds about things.

I am not trying to make you unhappy.  I am trying to see the other side to the thing.   I know where my experiance has taken me...  I want to see what made others take a different path.

Believe it or not... I am very glad you are happy.   I hope you stay married so long as you are happy and that it is forever.

My current girlfriend would love it if you could convince me that I should marry again but...  

There are no good chick flicks and it does not make me happy to give up things..  or pretend to be something I am not.

This thread has not done much to let me see the other side.

I realize that people are different and after reading the replies... I am more convinced that I am not suited for marriage.  

I was a little taken aback by how defensive some of the things I said made people.

lazs