Vets

[Slash27]

Originally posted by SkyRock
Funny!  But then again you have gotten  upset at my arrogance before!  


Mark:t

You're arrogant?

[KingSix]

its calleed a sticky EE key and a lack of hitting the backspace key

[nirvana]

He said sticky...




I think Kweassa pushed himself off the high dive on that post, Eagl.  I know plenty of vets willing to help a fellow countryman, I know of many who fly headlong into 5 bandits alone and do so when they have no chance of running away.  He's trolling or something of that nature.

[Guppy35]

Anyone who takes this game seriously enough to think that any of what we do here matters, needs to take a long hard look at their priorities.

As for being a vet, I would guess I'd qualify and any of the folks who've seen me fly (for lack of a better word) know that I can be found diving into the pack or more often then not getting bounced by the higher baduns cause frankly I could care less about stats, perks or whatever.  I like the fight, and to see how long I can make my uber 38G last among the baduns.  Of course that's generally not too long, but it's a blast for me and the guys I fly with.

To generalize about any group of players in this game is silly cause you'll find all kinds here including within the vets.

I am encouraged though that there are so many folks who do understand that this is nothing more then a game and play it as such:aok

[quintv]

Replace "vets" with "LOOK AT MEH IM AN ATTENTION AND SCORE potato!".

Then his post makes more sense.

[Kweassa]

I think Kweassa pushed himself off the high dive on that post, Eagl. I know plenty of vets willing to help a fellow countryman, I know of many who fly headlong into 5 bandits alone and do so when they have no chance of running away. He's trolling or something of that nature.

 Gimme a break, nirv.

 Anybody who's flown with me knows I'm the guy who stays behind in all the worst-case scenarios. Upping from vulched fields, fighting against 10 to 1 odds, upping goonbusters amidst zillion red-hordes, lobbing ords against barracks to delay enemy advance, etc etc etc ad nauseaum.

 I'm not complaining about it, since a "normal" fight under those conditions is mostly out of the question, and a high death rate and a conga line of the incoming "red train" behind my rear just comes with the job description. I like ruining the day for pompous hordemongers. It's the way I have fun.

 However, one thing I've learned in being in the worst places one can fly in, during my masochistic career as a "last line of defense" pilot, is that the self-styled "vets" never, ever, venture out to these parts to offer any kind of helping hand. More than anywhere on this corner of the map, where their skill is needed, where it is a "target rich" environment which they profess to love so much - not a single "vet" shows. The only people who actually show up in these "target rich" parts are either the total n00b, the psychopath, or the knee-jerk patriot who'll do anything he can to stop enemy advance.

 In turn, I get to meet all the famous "vet" guys of other countries during my sorties. It's simple really - like the self styled "vets" of my own country, who is having a great day collecting a baggage train of baby seal carcasses flying with the our own "horde" against sparsely defended enemy fields, the enemy "vets" are also the first ones to enter my "target rich" world. It is only natural they show up wherever I go, since I'm always at the places where we're doing the worst.

 But even then, it is always the enemy runts and "expendable" average joes who do all the work, picking off acks, hunting down few defenders, destroying objects, etc etc.. and when those runts are being challenged by me and my fellow pilots, turning into a heap of fireball and aerial junk, only then the "vet" actually comes down from the stratosphere, collects all the cheap kills, and turns back merrily home and lands them - leaving all the average guys behind to die to the defenses.

 Again, I'm not complaining about the situation I meet, since I'm always there by my own choice. However, what I do find absurd is those self-styled "vet" weasles who is typical in taking the credit, thumping the chests, professes to be "skilled" enough to face many enemy planes, and yet in practice he rarely, if ever, shows up under those conditions to haul some prettythang.

 The resentment applies both to the "vets" of my own country, who never show up in all the "best" parts of the map, and to the "vets" of my enemy countries, who are the first to enter the vulch, and first to run away when things go bad.



 I mean, have you actually never wondered why all the most "famous" pilots of each countries rarely ever fight each other? They are typical in saluting each other, chatting around alot in 200, except when you think about it, the "vets" never, ever seem to actually gather around a single point of the map and show us the most extravagant aerial fights of the day. These "vets" rarely fight against each other.

 The reason is simple. All of them "vets" are in different fronts of the map. All of them are located at the easiest situation possible for one's own country. Since the dynamics of the MA horde dictate that one horde avoids the other, it is only natural to expect that the "vet vs vet" fights are a rare thing to happen in the MA.

 They're the scavengers of the MA. Nothing wrong with that. They're just good at it. However, they will never admit what they are. Since they're supposed to be "driven by thrill of combat and competition of skill". This heap of bullshi* has been so thoroughly propagated in the flightsim communities, that it has become a something of a permanently embedded myth.

[Guppy35]

Might want to redefine what you see a Vet is then Kweassa, cause I know lots of guys I'd classify as vets who do exactly what you describe yourself as doing.

Your painting an entire group of players with such a broad brush seems a bit unreasonable.

[hubsonfire]

Kweassa is describing what I like to call the timid score weenie. I won't comment on his own actions (or his outlandish claims regarding his own behavior), because I've never seen him anywhere near a fight.

[kilz]

MY GOD i thought this post would have been pwnd by skuzzy a long time ago. ow ya IN

[mipoikel]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Might want to redefine what you see a Vet is then Kweassa, cause I know lots of guys I'd classify as vets who do exactly what you describe yourself as doing.

Your painting an entire group of players with such a broad brush seems a bit unreasonable.

I agree, Just what I was thinking about...

[Kweassa]

Might want to redefine what you see a Vet is then Kweassa, cause I know lots of guys I'd classify as vets who do exactly what you describe yourself as doing.

Your painting an entire group of players with such a broad brush seems a bit unreasonable.

 Let's just say it applies to some of the more 'vocal' types of some variants of vets around the world. I admit the "vet" is not composed of a single spectrum, and I won't deny there are actually some they do behave in the manner you described. Therefore, if your objection states my use of the "term" vet should be more restricted towards the some of the more tardly hypocrites in the game, then I humbly profess, "Woops, me bad".

 However, very simply put, of all those pompous fools who so regularly starts broadcasting about "ACM" gibberish and "LOL @ n00b" type of responses in these many threads on the boards, or in channel200 in the MA, I have found none of them who don't do the very stuff they choose to laugh at. HOs, running, gangbanging, scorewhoring - you name it.

I won't comment on his own actions (or his outlandish claims regarding his own behavior), because I've never seen him anywhere near a fight.

 That's because the rare moments I'm online these days, I'm so busy getting shot down in the darkest corners of the world, that my own burnt carcass piled up would be higher than the Himalayas. Look for the lone 109 or a Ki-84 in the baddest situation possible and then you'd find me, for about a minute and half, until I get shot down and can't get up again because of the gaggles of laser-guided bomber tards shutting my airfield down.

[Shane]

it's sop tempting to jump in here about "vets" but.... i think we need to let kweassa rest his fingers.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Shane
i think we need to let kweassa rest his fingers.

Bronk

[Flatbar]

I try to stay alive and have done so ever since AW.  

Enter a furball from above with E and fight off the high cherry pickers first, maybe run down an FW or Stang then gather up a bunch of E and enter the furball just above the action and if the area is clear of higher pickers then dive into the furball and twist and turn with the rest but make your exit before the e-fighters and hi alt pickers return from your previous spanking.

This is pure fun for me, if someone want's to call me something that's no more than a immature schoolyard taunt, so be it, I'll still have that s*** eating grin on my mug because I'm having FUN!

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Kweassa
I mean, have you actually never wondered why all the most "famous" pilots of each countries rarely ever fight each other? They are typical in saluting each other, chatting around alot in 200, except when you think about it, the "vets" never, ever seem to actually gather around a single point of the map and show us the most extravagant aerial fights of the day. These "vets" rarely fight against each other.

 The reason is simple. All of them "vets" are in different fronts of the map. All of them are located at the easiest situation possible for one's own country. Since the dynamics of the MA horde dictate that one horde avoids the other, it is only natural to expect that the "vet vs vet" fights are a rare thing to happen in the MA.

 They're the scavengers of the MA. Nothing wrong with that. They're just good at it. However, they will never admit what they are. Since they're supposed to be "driven by thrill of combat and competition of skill". This heap of bullshi* has been so thoroughly propagated in the flightsim communities, that it has become a something of a permanently embedded myth.

Kweassa, the best pilots in this game square-off against each other all the time in the DA, TA, Koth and dueling ladder. How do you think these guys got this good? Competition breeds champions. There's not much competition in the MAs. Hell, I can't get half the guys I encounter to fight!

If you are referring to high-scoring MA pilots exclusively, then I can agree to some extent. Many of these guys don't fare real well in 1v1 duels. Indeed, the 1v1 specialists will gobble them up in short order. However, given the MA environment, they do well.

Those who aspire to be the best in the MA have to learn to fight and win against long odds. We have several squads that come to the TA for squad training. There's no better way to work on SA and multi-con skills than volunteering to be their rabbit, fighting the whole mob.

There's nothing I like to do more than duel with the game's best pilots. Nothing builds skills faster than a high level of competition. When I'm in the MAs (not very often), I usually take a clunker rather than a high performance fighter. Anyone can get kills in the La-7 or Spit8, but how long would they survive in a Boston or tangling with a mob of La-7s and Spits in P-47.

A few nights ago, Skyrock and I dueled for hours in the TA. Bostons, A-20s, F6Fs and F4U-1s. We had a great time, despite both of us having not slept in nearly 24 hours. By the way guys, Skyrock is a great fellow and a damn good pilot. Get to know him and you'll appreciate his banter as good natured fun. I found him to be a perfect gentleman.

My regards,

Widewing