Time to help the Me-410

[Viking]

Originally posted by Krusty
By the way, those line drawings show the 410 with 8x 20mm cannon, NOT 6x!!!!

See the small holes are the MGs, then there's two sets right below them, each one for an MG151/20. Then theres the two sticking out of the bottom of the bomb bay, and then there's the two in the ventral gunpod!

I don't care HOW poor it flies with that much weight, I'd try it at least a few times!

I wouldn't completely trust that drawing if I were you. It has two errors that I can see: MK 108 instead of MK 103, and the B series had MG 131's in place of the A's MG 17's.

In any case I only see 6 cannons in that drawing. Two in the nose (standard armament), two in the bomb bay, and two in the gondola. Or four cannons in the bomb bay, but no gondola. I don't know if they could carry the gondola guns in addition to the four cannon bomb bay option.

[Krusty]

OOps, you're right, I was getting the images mixed up.

However, if you look at the one that has 4x MG151's evenly spaced through the bomb bay doors, then you might still have the 2x MG151s up by the MGs.

That's 6, with the option of a ventral gunpack

Hell, with "only" 6 it would still be an awesome sight!

[Viking]

Yes it still has the two Mg 151/20 in the nose/fuselage by the two MG 17/131’s. Those guns were standard, so a “clean” Me 410 would still have two cannons. The way I see it the 410 in Zerstörer configuration carried 6 MG 151/20 and 2 MG 17/131 + 2MG 131 in the barbettes. It is conceivable  that it could carry the gondola guns and the four cannon bomb bay package for a total of 8 MG 151/20.

[Krusty]

I've got a comment in a book of mine that says something along the lines of "and some versions ever carried up to eight MG151/20 cannons". I think it's possible.

[JAWS2003]

Still the 2x20mm+2x30mm (Mk103) would be the best gun package in the game.

Those 103's are devastating against anything in the air and you could also kill tanks with them.
 

[Viking]

I'm not sure the day-fighters carried the MK 103's. I can only find references of them being used in the night fighter variant.

[Krusty]

The night fighters didn't have radar, so there'd be little difference between the two.


P.S. I think I'd like the 2x30 and 2x20 setup, but IMO 8x20 would be far more consistent and have longer range than 2x30. I'd probably use both equally if we had 'em.

[Viking]

My mistake, I meant the anti-shipping version, not night-fighter. The one with the FuG 200 radar.

[Viking]

The 30mm MK 103 has far better ballistics and range than the MG 151/20. The MK 103 has equal or better ballistics than the US .50 cal. Slow rate of fire though.

[moot]

Wow  Viking, I thought you had said no fighters carried the 103 at all!
They definitely need to have the 410 carry a Mk103 !  

[stockli]

A more efficient way to kill laser guided bullet bombers.

Anything more effective to kill em, Im all for.

[Viking]

Originally posted by moot
Wow  Viking, I thought you had said no fighters carried the 103 at all!
They definitely need to have the 410 carry a Mk103 !  

I don't think I've said that.

[JAWS2003]

The 103's were used for ground attack as well as for night fighters.
 The 103 was one of the best big guns in the war. Was heavy and big to be used on single seat fighters as a motor cannon. It was used on some 190's in gunpods (both against bombers and for ground attack) but the gunpods deteriorated the handling and performance of  a single engine plane a lot.

 The twin engine fighters and zerstorers could carry it. Was extensively used on the Hs-129 for ground attack because of high muzle velocity and good armor penetration.  Was effective against all but the heavy tanks. Even some heavy tanks were not safe (KV1/2).

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by JAWS2003
It was used on some 190's in gunpods (both against bombers and for ground attack) but the gunpods deteriorated the handling and performance of  a single engine plane a lot.

No.. not gunpods. They are in the wing and they dont deteriorate the preformance that much.

[Viking]

The MK 103 was not used on Fw190's. They tested them as Gondelwaffen, but the recoil was found to damage the wings.