What's better, F4U-1 or la7?

[FiLtH]

Rgr that ack, Im was referring to each in a different ride, one plane being superior.

[Viking]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i got 42 killls in two sorties with the NIK2J, both sorties landed. a 20 victories and then a 22 victories.
 

Wtg.

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
sounds similar to your 110G kills viking, no? Anyone who gets those stats in a twin engine big fat 110G is not doing it any way but flying 'smart' or as most of us would call it, timid.
 

No I rarely land more than 5-10 kills per sortie in the 110 since I have a “land if damaged” policy to avoid falling victim to my own greed. I don’t shy away from bombers, so I usually end up with damage sooner rather than later. Nor do I shy away from 1-on-1’s.

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
you know how i got those huge kill counts?  flying 'timid' for 2 hours in a one hundred plane furball. making a few kills, extending, fuel management, wingmen, running from an unfair fight more and more as my kill count rose, playing my very hardest to survive no matter what. It was alot of fun i have two awesome films.

now, you know what....  those 42 kills for 0 deaths took less skill and ACM work than a little 1 on 1 i had today in the MA, la7 vs hurri2c.

So in other words flying “timid” is the degratory term used against those who fly smart by those who fly dumb. I think I’ll just have to get used to that term then.

I don’t think I’ve ever been in a 50 plane furball let alone 100 planes. I prefer a friendly flight of 5-10 or so with a similarly sized opposition. Defense or offense doesn’t matter, though defense often yields a better pelt load.

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
your stats claim in this type of argument mark you as timid, and flying for score, in the eyes of a furballer, and thus proving skyrock pretty much totaly right. your ACMs are not up to standard if you consider your 110G stats to be proof of virtual dogfighting skills.

What “standards” of ACM are you referring to? I prefer to take my cues from the likes of Bölcke, Hartmann and Marseilles, not some dweebs 60+ years later who thinks that furballing and dying every five minutes is the epitome of dogfighting skills.

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
they are however good proof of your skills in smart flying, wtg.

Thank you.

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
just a nuetral opinion.

Yes, that sounded very neutral.

Originally posted by SkyRock
He wouldn't last 10 seconds after merge if we in the same plane!

I lasted longer in a plane you meant was inferior to yours, I even lasted long enough to kill you once in an inferior dueling plane. I think I’d do ok. After Easter’s over I’m game for a duel if you are, though I’d understand if you declined. After all, if I were to win your ego might become fatally injured from the humiliation.

[Viking]

Originally posted by SkyRock
110 pilot that doesn't know acm...........LMAO!!!!!!  HO HO HO funny stuff!  Good luck storc.....errr viking!

Btw. Storch is a true gentleman ... compared to you.

[killnu]

I can up in an La7 and fly straight in DA and last longer...whats your point?
DA is meant to "fight".

[Viking]

Originally posted by killnu
...whats your point?

You obviously missed it.

[moot]

Rematch!

[Viking]

Originally posted by Widewing
You can extend out, build E and reverse. No foul. It's easy enough to determine who is building E and who is running.

No foul? But “timid” and “dweebish” perhaps? Or so I was led to believe when I did that against SkyRock.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Viking

Nor do I shy away from 1-on-1’s.

never suggested you would, smart flying is all about a fair 1 on 1 or ditching till you can kill from saftey, i thought? you of course realise that there are hundreds of us lemmings who routinely wont shy away from 10 on 1 even if we have 5 kills to 'land' already.



so in other words flying “timid” is the degratory term used against those who fly smart by those who fly dumb. I think I’ll just have to get used to that term then.

What “standards” of ACM are you referring to? I prefer to take my cues from the likes of Bölcke, Hartmann and Marseilles, not some dweebs 60+ years later who thinks that furballing and dying every five minutes is the epitome of dogfighting skills.
yep pretty much because if you dont really die in this game and have the chance to fly outstanding, artistic, creative virtual air combat manouvers then flying energy farming loops and 3 minute long single manouvers can seem rather tame to those who have tasted the intensity of total chaos and been unable but to become a part of the moving organism of swirling madness that 40 people in virtual planes create when confined to 5000 feet of altitude and 10 square miles of arena.



Yes, that sounded very neutral.



doesnt seem like sarcasm but just in case, im neutral because im not going to catagorise myself as a furballer or a smart flyer or anything but someone who likes to fly and fight even virtualy, willing to enjoy every single aspect from ripping things up in a jet fighter to fighting a horde alone in a tbm with only rockets....lemming today, merciless bastige the next.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Viking
No foul? But “timid” and “dweebish” perhaps? Or so I was led to believe when I did that against SkyRock.

may i hazzard a geuss that in the circles of the most keen dueling players the most basic of fights will be determined in less than a minute and the most complex will last 5 mins without the two planes seperating further than 500 yrds the entire fight.

despite his constant and hugely exagerated play acting 031598 numbers dweeb aka nutrock is infact a very difficult opponent in a duel in any planes. im sure that you too are a kickazz pilot, thats why most of us play, to kick some *** and we all do it in our own ways and thats freedom for you.

go fight skyrock 25 times in the same planes and rinse the true turnfighting balls out of the whole hanger in one go. you come back and tell us who you think can kickazz in the most number of cool ways out of the two of you. i am not saying it will be either of you, but you just see and answer to yourself.


any duel when seperation is beyond 1000yrds and no closure is forthcoming is a loss for the extending party.

[Mace2004]

Originally posted by Mace2004
To bad we'll never figure that out.

Hate it when I'm proved right.

[Viking]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
Originally posted by Viking

Nor do I shy away from 1-on-1’s.

never suggested you would, smart flying is all about a fair 1 on 1 or ditching till you can kill from saftey, i thought?

I don’t get your meaning. Fighting 1-on-1 is not particularly smart unless you have an initial advantage, but it is fun so…

Killing from safety is boring, tried that in the Lala. A little danger is required to keep the old ticker going in fights.

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
you of course realise that there are hundreds of us lemmings who routinely wont shy away from 10 on 1 even if we have 5 kills to 'land' already.

Of course. If that’s your idea of fun then who am I to argue. However I wonder how much fun it really can be in the long run. After all it is not the “smart” flyers who are throwing demeaning remarks at other players. Sometimes I think that furballing, for all its promise of fast fun action, must be quite frustrating after a while since it generates so much animosity toward other players.

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
yep pretty much because if you dont really die in this game and have the chance to fly outstanding, artistic, creative virtual air combat manouvers then flying energy farming loops and 3 minute long single manouvers can seem rather tame to those who have tasted the intensity of total chaos and been unable but to become a part of the moving organism of swirling madness that 40 people in virtual planes create when confined to 5000 feet of altitude and 10 square miles of arena.

That’s fun for a diversion sure, but I bore easily of such intense action. I’m much more of a “chess player” kind of guy. I used to fly in the monthly KOTH’s back in the day, even won a couple of rounds (in Yak-9T and Me 163 if my memory serves me). It was fun for sure, but I’d not want to do that every day if you catch my meaning. I’m the kind of guy you’ll probably not see in the MA again when CT is up and running.

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
...lemming today, merciless bastige the next.

My kind of player. Last tour I was a lemming most of the time. This tour (so far) I’m a murderer.

[B@tfinkV]

the attraction of the fast paced almost drug addict like, as you seemed to put it, furballer is not to simple fight in furballs it is to control them.

S! viking i got to go skyrock could just pwn me for hijacking his fun.

[Viking]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
go fight skyrock 25 times in the same planes and rinse the true turnfighting balls out of the whole hanger in one go. you come back and tell us who you think can kickazz in the most number of cool ways out of the two of you. i am not saying it will be either of you, but you just see and answer to yourself.

Oh I’m quite sure he’s the most proficient duelist of the two of us. And while dueling does have a certain appeal, when SkyRock criticized me for killing him in a dweebish way I remembered why I don’t do duels much.

Anton, I don’t know what name he flies by now or even if he’s still around, but that was an opponent after my own heart. I had one of my most memorable fights with him back in the old AH1 MA. The fight started long before we were in icon range, both trying to gain the advantage before the merge. After 5 minutes of positioning contest at dot range was over we merged, my 109F having won a slight altitude advantage on his Yak-9U. What ensued was a 10+ minute 1-on-1 that took us from 20k to the deck and covering a whole sector, with several extensions, reversals and spiral climbs. After it was over we had a long friendly chat on what was done right and wrong and the relative strengths and weaknesses of the two planes. Then we saluted for a good fight and returned to the game.

That’s a fight in my book. That's a duel worth remembering.

[Viking]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
the attraction of the fast paced almost drug addict like, as you seemed to put it, furballer is not to simple fight in furballs it is to control them.

S! viking i got to go skyrock could just pwn me for hijacking his fun.

I guess that's why so many of them are bitter and unfriendly to those that, perhaps inadvertently, kill them. No matter how good you are you can't control a 100 plane furball, or a 40 plane for that matter. It’s a game of chance with high odds. It may be addictive to some, but I think for many the frustrations get the better of them.

Batfink. Got to get some sleep myself. Have a long drive in about four hours and won't be back until after Easter weekend.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
any duel when seperation is beyond 1000yrds and no closure is forthcoming is a loss for the extending party.

That depends on what is being flown. In Spits or Zekes, that is likely the case. However, in P-51s, blowing out a bit more than 1k is normal. Especially if one or both of the pilots know that more than 3 notches of flaps is counter-productive with the Mustang.

Dissimilar types demand different tactics. If I'm dueling a Spit5 with a P-51, lateral separation is essential as the Mustang can't hope to knife fight the Spit. Thus, he needs to conserve E and work at gaining an angle.

As far as I'm concerned, if the other guys stays engaged (meaning he is maneuvering for an advantage), I don't consider it an issue if he gets 2k of separation. It only means a re-merge. Heck, I'll often let them get that far out intentionally just to see what he tries to do next.

My regards,

Widewing