Bring us your tired, bring us your poor...

[Pooh21]

Originally posted by Hap
Plastic toys with which to steer our toy planes versus feeding a family.

Shoot, that's a moral no brainer.

that family should have to work to feed itself, like the rest of nature, and accept the consequences when it can't. Instead of sucking my money which I work for to grow fat and happy sitting on its arse.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by lazs2
Illegal immigrant is too harsh a term these days... they prefer "undocumented immigrant"  like they missplaced their paperwork or something...


lazs

You should see the harsh looks when I wear my "undocumented border patrol agent" t-shirt.

Edit: which I ordered here with a coffee mug
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/1339248

[Hap]

As far as "that family," I don't know them.  Perhaps you can tell us a bit more about them from a hands on perspective?

Regarding those I know 1st hand and work with where I work, not a few get on with 20K/yr + or -.  Not infrequently, less than that.

Back to the point at hand, when giving someone something to eat vies with holding onto a few bucks that mean little or nothing to us, the choice should be easy.  

But that's not the issue either, and I'm not talking about government programs, taxes, etc.  If you don't know what I'm talking about just chalk it up to "he's a nutty tard."

It's a Matthew 25 sort of thing.  And not a bad day to mention it, being Holy Saturday, and tomorrow being Easter Sunday.

I have taken more out of life than I have given.  Many people I know first hand have done the same.  There are those, too, whom I know first hand, who set a better example, who seek actively ways to better their neighbour becuase its merciful to do so.  They, by in large, see everything they have in life as a "gift."  Not the more common point of view that "I deserve it because I earned it."

I don't think that if anyone gave a thoughful and serious assessment to the question "do I deserve all the good that has come my way" if that has been their lot that they will answer "yes."  When those times arise and friendships favor frankness, I have heard in some detail how they and their "good lives" are the product of sacrifices that others have made, be it parent, relatives, friends, teachers, etc.  The list can and should be pretty long.

It is a narrow, bleak, blind-hearted life that seeks only or mainly to hold onto all that is "theirs" without some efforts to assuage the hardships of others that they find nearby.

I'm a poor example on that score, and I hope that I shall improve.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Hap
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Back to the point at hand, when giving someone something to eat vies with holding onto a few bucks that mean little or nothing to us, the choice should be easy.  ............................. ......................
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It is a narrow, bleak, blind-hearted life that seeks only or mainly to hold onto all that is "theirs" without some efforts to assuage the hardships of others that they find nearby.....

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

(And you didn't even mention trackir)

[Xargos]

Hap, bless you for you thoughts.  Problem is that many people see kindness as weakness.

[Hap]

Xargos, blessing to you too!

 And BJ, "teaching" is a huge part of it.  Is it not?  That requires in my first hand experience a sacrifice of my time and attention to try to show someone a better way in a hands on fashion rather than merely lecturing them or scolding them.

If that's been the way you've tended to your affairs in real life, way to go!  I think it be perhaps the "best" way, for it asks of us to get out of our cheap selves, interests, diversions, and affairs.  

I really don't think any of us during our last days and months will say, "Wow I really blew that one!  I gave too much money to what I hoped were good causes and spent too much time trying to assist the next poor shmuck by teaching him how to catch fish so he and his family can eat!"  In the literal and figurative sense.

[Jackal1]

I always get a kick out of the fact that it is always the very same ones who scream the loudest when we take our military to another country to stop problems....are the very same ones who start screaming like a pig under a gate for us to help the people of another country. You can`t help the people of another country by proxy. I guess you could if the world was perfect and every day there was a brilliant sunrise with little girls singing, laughing and throwing rose petals from their baskets when you look out your window.
I witnessed the "teach a man to fish" U.S. style.................... literaly.
There were a group of us who striper fished on a weekly basis on a river below the dam of an area lake.
A large group of foreign people started swarming the place all of a sudden. (No...not from Mexico )
Beer cans with string and hook attached was the style of the day. They would come to the river packed in run down vehicles with rods knocking and spewing smoke, loaded with every person they could possibly load . All wore ragged, second hand clothing.
That lasted somewhere in the neighborhood of a month. They then started arriving in brand new Camaros, which seemed to be their fav. All had new dress clothes, shoes, etc. To fish in no less. Within another month all were set up with their own business and all had new houses to live in. All proudly furnished by our taxs.
Yep........we taught them to fish .........in style.
We have been choking on the hook, line and sinker ever since.

[lazs2]

I am still waiting for rolex to explain the difference between an illegal alien and an illegal immigrant.

As for buying ch pedals... that is good... makes the economy run... somebody gots to make the materials and put em togerther... everyone wins..

Much better than everyone being "equal" and everyone making left handed gloves badly in some state sponsored former soviet union factory.

lazs