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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2007, 05:23:59 PM »
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but isn't uranium radioactive?


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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2007, 05:24:34 PM »
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It's a heavy metal and a poison.

P.S.  I have slight lead poisoning and it effects my reaction time down.



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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2007, 05:27:31 PM »
:rofl   Don't make me hurt you Nilsen.

P.S.  I know my limitations, it does not bother me.   :cool:


P.P.S.  As long as I have my Johnnie Walker Black I'm happy.
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2007, 05:31:16 PM »
hehe you know i was just kidding right?


there was one dude in LW just now that could not take a joke even if the rest of channel 200 did :D

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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2007, 05:33:43 PM »
No harm, No foul.

Your cool with me Nilsen.
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2007, 05:38:55 PM »
hornet33, did you take all of the three vaccines during gulf-war?

i know my brother was on edge for a few years after the twins were born.

he only took one shot tho, and then, he told them to go &*%$ themselves when they tried to give him two more.

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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2007, 06:15:44 PM »
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hornet33, did you take all of the three vaccines during gulf-war?

i know my brother was on edge for a few years after the twins were born.

he only took one shot tho, and then, he told them to go &*%$ themselves when they tried to give him two more.


What are the shots?  I want to know more.
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2007, 07:45:52 PM »
Ok so if this stuff is a heavy metal and a poison why do we use it as ammo? Who is the college educated idiotic moron that decided on that move.

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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2007, 07:54:16 PM »
They were an experimantal drug that was "supposed" to boost a persons ability to deal with the effects of certain chemical munitions. In addition to the shots, we were given pills that "worked" in cunjunction with the shots. I recieved 2 of the 3 shots, but I never took the pills like we were supposed to. The shots made me feel sick for a day or so afterwards so I wasn't going to take any chances with the pills.

What pisses me off is there is no record of my getting those shots in my medical record. I got out of the Army in 1992 and joined the Coast Guard. I brought all this up when they started to process me for retirement and the Coast Guard Docs had no idea what I was talking about. I know they requested all information concerning my medical records from the Army but the Army claims to have handed everything over to the Coast Guard concerning me. I have my lawyer looking into it but I don't expect anything to develop from that either.

I don't even know what the name of the stuff was they gave us and I haven't been able to find anything online about it either. All I know was when they gave us the shots it was the typical military assembly line deal. Line up with your sleeve rolled up, step forward and a medic wipes your arm clean, step forward and get the injection, step forward and sign on the sheet that you recieved your shot, get kicked out of the tent and get sent back to work.

At 19 years old you just don't know enough to ask questions about stuff like that. 16 years later no one has a clue what your talking about, and yeah it bothers me that I don't know. It bothers me that my health is failing and this might have something to do with it, but no one has any records to prove if I did or didn't get this stuff. Never mind the fact that I was at Ground Zero the day after the attack in New York helping with port security. We kept our boats and gear over at Ft. Wadsworth on Staten Island right next to one of the large pillings for the Verrazano Narrows Bridge. The trucks bringing debris out of the twin towers drove over that bridge and we were also having to clean dust off our gear all the time so I also have all that mess going for me too. Who knows what the hell I breathed in there. It wouldn't surprise me at all if I start to develop serious lung problems before too long. As it is I sometimes have a hard time breathing if I work out too hard. I study martial arts and it gets tough sometimes to keep going. I've had tests run but so far they haven't found anything. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Don't get me wrong though. I don't want to sound like I'm complaining or blaming anyone. I'm proud of the service I performed in both cases and would do it all over again if I had to, but hind sight is always 20/20 after the fact. You can't always take the time to weigh the risks in those kind of situations. You just have to do the job and deal with the after effects later or the job wouldn't get done at all, but it does keep me awake at nights sometimes when I start thinking about all the things I've done and seen.
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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2007, 08:27:58 PM »
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Ok so if this stuff is a heavy metal and a poison why do we use it as ammo? Who is the college educated idiotic moron that decided on that move.


Because of how dense depleted uranium is, it makes an excellent penetrator for armor piercing rounds. It's also very heavy so it tends to retain it's velocity better than a projectile made out of a lighter metal.

For years the US Army maintained that its Sabot rounds were made out of Tungsten Steel. The fact that they were in fact made from depleted uranium has been called by some, the Army's best kept secret.

It was no secret that the A-10's 30mm GAU-8 gatling gun fired depleted uranium AP rounds. DU AP rounds is part of the reason the GAU-8 gun is so effective versus armored targets.
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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2007, 09:12:20 PM »
I'm with the "oil crowd" on this one.  While I was way too young to serve then I remember seeing pictures of all that burning oil and US troops covered in it from head to toe.  Oil in of itself is a carcinogen (SP). and likely to cause more damage to somone that inhaling DU residue (not saying that the residue isn't harmfull)

I worked with a guy that was there and he would sometimes just drift off for an hour or two.  I just let him go where ever his mind went and would gently nudge him when our shift was over.  It was pretty sureal.

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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2007, 03:32:46 AM »
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Because of how dense depleted uranium is, it makes an excellent penetrator for armor piercing rounds. It's also very heavy so it tends to retain it's velocity better than a projectile made out of a lighter metal.

For years the US Army maintained that its Sabot rounds were made out of Tungsten Steel.


DU is also much cheaper than tungsten, although tungsten is slightly more dense. DU is radioactive waste put into use instead of discarding it.

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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2007, 07:51:57 AM »
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but isn't uranium radioactive?

Quite a lot of elements are radio active. Saying that depleted uranium is dangerous just because it is uranium is ignorant. Uranium 238, unlike Uranium 235, has quite a long half-life time. What will matter is the actual content of U238 in the mix with the other metals. I don't have the numbers, but I can't believe this is very high and that the typical round emit radiation in any significant rate, even if you have a few of them buried under your home.

People hear "Uranium" and panic. This is the reason why NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance) in its medical application was renamed to MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). Having the word "Nuclear" in the name scared people too much, even though it has nothing to do with nuclear decays and ionizing radiation.

The need for very mass-dense projectile arouse from the high energies involved with the impact. At these energies, the metals behave more as liquid than solid. The strength and rigidness of the solid lattice is of much less importance then the density.
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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2007, 08:18:34 AM »
Hmmm I've read the responses to my last post and I kinda think that depleted uranium would  still radioactive enough to kill wouldn't it?

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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2007, 09:25:31 AM »
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They were an experimantal drug that was "supposed" to boost a persons
ability to deal with the effects of certain chemical munitions..


the 2 Bio vaccines
Anthrax + pertussis((2 vaccines rolled into 1) The BIG 3)
Plague

As a Brit in GW1 i had the 2 above and the following Vaccines
Typhoid
Hepatitus A
Hepatitus B
Polio
Cholera
Tetanus
Yellow Fever
Meningitis

Don't forget the Naps tablets(increases resistance to nerve agents)
Pyridostigmine brodine

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[What pisses me off is there is no record of my getting
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your not the only one me too!!!

some americans also recieved
influenza
rabies
measels
Japaneses B encelphalatis
Rubella