b25..what is the point

[macleod01]

Originally posted by Guppy35
LOL  Sometimes I wonder why HTC even has these boards.  They can't win no matter how they play it.

Dont you get it Dan? Its there for their amusement! Their probarbly laughing hteir socks off at the storm being stirred up! lol. I am! Come on, its a new freekin plane! Be hppy! PLUS we get the Firefly PLUS new Terrain features! WTF are you guys complaining! You complain about the plane drought, now its ended you complain because it was 'The wrong plane' -----i.e You dont like it so dont add it! Heck I dont like Zekes (they can turn with my Hurri Mk1) So DELETE IT! Joke btw. If you want a plane, chances are HT may have it in store anyway! Personally I think that list of 10 planes is already under construction. Ive never heard of a G.55! Where did that come from? The He 111 is sorely needed for the events arena. Russian Bombers will fill out the plane set for the ruskies a little bit, Japanese fighter? Right on, well needed! Invader? Heck probarbly needed as well! I think Ht is planning on adding ALL of those planes. So quit yer weeping! Maybe if you shut up with the complaining, HT will be happier to add more planes knowing that there wont be a huge uproar of 'OO No, Dont add THAT! I dont like that plane!' Boo hoo! New plane, try it out! I bet maybe some of yous will love it!  Thanks HT for adding a new plane, New Tank and New terrains to an already great game!

[Krusty]

Originally posted by tedrbr
Better suited?

Yes. Better suited.

As in: B-26 out-runs most mid-war planes.

As in: B-26 is closer to a "heavy" bomber than a "medium" (compare bombload and defensive armament)

As in: B-26 was a later addition to the war, and while it served in numbers, it's use was eclipsed by the use of the B-25. Similar to the B-29 being a good bomber, but it wasn't used in nearly as many areas, and in nearly as many numbers, as the B-17 (now sub B-26 for B-29, and B-25 for B-17 and it's the same thing)

As in: 4 50cals in the nose is enough to make a nuisance. With the limited ammo a B-26 might take down a couple of buildings, after making several passes. The B-25 with either 12-gun nose or 75mm nose would be able to take down half a dozen or more buildings, not counting the bombs it carries and rockets.

As in: Not everything in this war is 1945. MOST scenarios or events in this game (which have upwards of 350 people in them, AT ONCE, sometimes) have to substitute aircraft which don't fit. The Boston III is too fast for 109Es or hurricanes to catch. The B-26 is far more heavily armed than and performs better than anything you substitute it for, if you wish to do a mid-war event. The Ki-67 is a TERRIBLE sub for the Betty, being far too fast and able to out perform the Betty in many ways.

So, yes, the B-25 is "better suited" to many aspects of this game, than the B-26 is. The B-26 cannot sub for much, but the B-25 fills a major hole (ESPECIALLY for mid-war bomber escort/intercept setups!!!) and can even sub for similar mid-war aircraft.

"Better suited," indeed.

[FrodeMk3]

Ya know...I'm gonna say ditto on Coach.

Yanksfan lost his dad Not but a coupla days ago...

This should be a wakeup call to all of us.

If we have a chance, at all, to give something back to someone who did all the things most of us in this game can only sit down and act out on our screens...Then by all means, we should put aside our own petty differences and concerns, unite as a community, and be something worthy of flying with a true WWII vet.

I know that most of the votes have already been cast, but for this reason, I'd hope that even if the B-25 loses, we could get the Mitchell added soon.
The old vets don't get younger, you know.

[Helm]

Originally posted by SELECTOR
i don't really care what plane wins..



If you dont care...why are you complaining?

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Krusty
The A-20G is all but helpless.

Really? If you believe it's helpless, than you should have no trouble beating my A-20 in the late war fighter of your choice. Heck, I'll even fly a Boston.

I'll be in the TA this Wednesday evening (traveling on business prior to that).

I promise, you will find either of them anything but helpless.

My regards,

Widewing

[Krusty]

Widewing, I do believe you can back that challenge up. I myself have out-fought a c2 in a boston III to the point of flying him into the ground after 5 minutes.

However, in a situation where you're not dogfighting (where you're trying to get ord on target) you are a sitting duck. Any small-caliber MG hits anywhere on a boston will pop it, it seems. A-20G has a similar bug/issue/feature. While the A-20G does have a nice weapons package it is limited in performance. It's not a fighter. If you fly it heavy you cannot avoid death. If you fly it light, what good is it against the target? Yes, A-20s can kill other aircraft, but when you've got an objective to get to, it's pretty much fodder, if you catch it.

I have flown it enough to know its weaknesses outweigh its strengths.

[Booz]

Originally posted by SELECTOR
i don't really care what plane wins..but i really don't see the point of the b25 to be even considered in the first place..

 ..... apart from scenarios i can't see it being anything but a hanger queen..

salute all..

 this will make sense to you in 2 or 3 years

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Coach
After reading the post about Toad's dad...  I don't give a damn what planes are/were up for a vote.  Look gents... we have a real life WWII pilot vet who would love to have the chance to virtually fly his old bird.  No, the B-25 was not my origional choice at all.  But I sure as hell will change my vote to honor and give this gentleman his due.  There will be more planes coming in time. Maybe even your favorite.  There shouldn't be any doubt whatsoever about the customer service at HTC.  Until then, patience.  Think about what you can do for a hero of many.

$0.02

Coach

Bingo!   Well stated Coach!

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Husky01
Two words.

DOOLITTLE RAID!

Welcome to the Do-Little Raid

Arena:  SEA
 
Country Percentages:
 
Allied - 16 pilots and up to 16 gunners as attendees.  (Anyone else can watch from vulchers row as they -- try to -- take off.  Wave and cheer.)
Axis - everybloodybody else of attendees
 
Allies Units
- B-25B's 100% of Allied aircraft (all 16 of them)
   
Axis Units:
- A6M2  60%
- Ki-61   10%
- Ki-67   10%  for coastal patrols, since IJN/IJA lack the Mitsubishi G3M "Nell" and  Mitsubishi G4M "Betty", among others in game.
- Ki-84   20% * since we lack the Kawasaki Ki-45 "Nick", Nakajima Ki-44 "Tojo",  Nakajima Ki-43 "Oscar", early model N1K's "George", or Nakajima Ki-27 "Nate".

Allied Orders:
B-25's must take 4 X 500 pound bombs
B-25 Gunners must fire off all rear/ventral ammo upon take off to simulate broomsticks in their place.
B-25's will fly un-escorted NOE to attack targets in Tokyo, Yokohama, Kobe, Osaka, and Nagoya.  Allies will then fly on to land in China.
Fuel load at 100%
Launch from CV "Hornet" (Allies have multiple lives to try and get off the deck) Eight (8) map grids (200 miles) away from Japan's coast.

Axis Orders
Axis pilots must take 100% fuel.
Only 1/2 of the Axis pilots be in the air at the event's start.  Other 1/2 can take off after Allies have been spotted.  Rotating air patrols is permitted as well as hot-padding.
Axis pilots only have 1 life (to give to the Emperor)

Restrictions:
No formations.
B-25's must fly on the deck until coast of Japan is sighted.
Ki-67's cannot proceed pass 75 miles (3 grids) from Japan's shoreline until Allies spotted.
No other patrol plane can fly more than 50 miles (2 grids) from Japan's shoreline until Allies spotted.
IJN and IJA pilots must pretend they do not know the Allies are coming to attack Japan.

Victory Conditions
 
Standard SEA point values.
B-25B - 35 points
A6M2 - 15 points
Ki-67 - 15 points
Ki-61 - 15 points
Ki-84 - 15 points
factory objects - 15 points
 
Arena Settings
 
Terrain: Japan
Fuel: 1.5
Icons: short
Radar: off
Bomber F3 Mode: On
Killshooter off
Time of Day: 11:00am
Wind: West at 50 knots above 10,000 feet.
 
Design By
tedrbr

[jab116]

Whatever plane wins will go the way of the jeep.
Popular at first, two months later, all but forgotten.

[Anyone]

Originally posted by Husky01
Two words.

DOOLITTLE RAID!

and thats the ONLY reason the B25s gona win.... all the hype around Pearl harbour etc.

everyone whos voted B25 wants a Doolittle raider.....nothing else.

[Ball]

I also agree that it is a wasted opportunity.

At least once the B-25 is added, it can be used in Combat Tour (if it has a glass nose).

In the MA it won't really add anything which we do not have already.

410 would have been better for CT in my opinion though, would have been great attacking the bomber formations in it.

[blkmgc]

Originally posted by Anyone
and thats the ONLY reason the B25s gona win.... all the hype around Pearl harbour etc.

everyone whos voted B25 wants a Doolittle raider.....nothing else.

Dont believe everything you read here in the whinings. I could probably name a dozen scenarios/uses off the top of my head for the Mitchel that have absolutely nothing to do with any movie or launching 25's off of a carrier. Although I do get a chuckle every time I read that^.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Anyone
and thats the ONLY reason the B25s gona win.... all the hype around Pearl harbour etc.

everyone whos voted B25 wants a Doolittle raider.....nothing else.

Did you even read about Toad's dad in this thread?



Bronk

[Fencer51]

Originally posted by Anyone
and thats the ONLY reason the B25s gona win.... all the hype around Pearl harbour etc.

everyone whos voted B25 wants a Doolittle raider.....nothing else.

Funny I prefer Hanover Street myself.  Or Catch 22.  Actually most of all 30 Seconds over Tokyo.