Man made Global Warming

[tristate]

one good thing about it if they do melt california new york and a few other places will be gone and repulicans will rule again lol

[Angus]

Flood would be the key rather than melting.
Which would prove that the democrats and Gore and Liberals were right, who would do what to the surviving poll?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Curval
Jackal...you write something and put a ROFL after it that certainly appears to be a slam against the UK and then you need explain it as follows:
 

I only needed to explain it to you for the simple reason that you were the one who asked this question....

So, why did you put the rofl smilie icon next to your comment about UK researchers?

What anything

appears

or appeared to you was brought on by your assumptions. If you don`t want an answer , don`t ask the question.....please.
If I had wished to make a

slam

against the UK on anything I don`t believe their would have been any question in your mind about it.  You can find many examples here on these boards .I`m not
at all PC and don`t beat around the bush. I speak my mind in clear terms that you should even be able to understand.

You expect waaaaay too much out of your "readers". Silly me for not realising that THIS is what you meant.

As far

my readers

go, I expect nothing. From you I would prefer it.
Let`s face it. The whole thing boils down to you jumping in and twiddling the digits on the keyboard with comments directed at me has nothing to do with the subject matter of this thread. You have had an ongoing burr under your saddle when it comes to anything that Laz states an opinion on. You have shown that you have a real issue and a little more than a mental hangup over starting crap on just about any subject in any thread that his opinion is posted on.
You did the same in this thread only you blew your cover from the very start by making statements directed at me that had no merit.
The end result is that you have once again peed in your hat and claimed it rained............as usual.
I could care less what you assume or what your problem is .
Here`s an idea......If you don`t like my opinion, that`s fine. I state my opinion. You state yours. All is well in Happy Town as far as I`m concerned.
If you wish to debate me on a subject, then go for it. All I ask is of you , if anything, is to base your argument on facts that I have stated instead of assumptions and a little more than an obvious  hangup you have because someone tells you like it is.
I suppose you will accomplish one thing by this. More than likely this thread will be closed like the previous one due to this little fiasco.
Whatever trips your trigger.

[RASTER]

C02 levels are seen to be increasing. However, planets in our solar system are also showing a proportional increase in temperature. Must be the cars on pluto causeing it, or wait, plutos not a planet but it is also showing the temperature change.

The Ice age ended only 10000 years ago. How old are the pyramids. Would have been a nice climate there at that time. Things are still warming up, how hot will things get. Here is a clue, in Canada's arctic there are all kinds of tropical plant fossils. We dont know what caused the ice age but it was a very fast change.  Mastodons were found in northern Siberia with plants still in their mouths. These hardy animals froze so fast they couldnt eat the plants which were growing there.

So whats the real story. Air polution is a problem we can do something about. Global warming not so much. Like UFO's why panic people about something they can do nothing about. It's pointless to correct global warming so better placing the blame on polution. Afterall, when was the last time a politician cared about anything, that is unless there was a political agenda behind it. Which there probably is.  Cover up the truth to prevent a panic.

Did I mention that solar flares have been going off the scale lately.  Pft, Xclass flares, we see them all the time now, what else ya got.

RASTER

[lazs2]

this is silly... most scientists predicted a man made ice age by the year 2000.   I have linked to the articles that were written in the 70's on this.  

The scientists in "swindle" were from the U.S and Japan and england...  probly the U.S. had the lions share along with some from the UK.

The man who first started research on ice cores was on the documentary and he believes that the ice core samples prove that man and, more importantly, co2 is not a cause of global warming from studying the cores.

The jap scientist is an expert on the polar ice caps and he sees nothing out of the ordinary.  

The more people ignore them the more outrageous the claims of these chicken littles...    At some point I wish that they would just say it is too late and leave us alone.

We will go into a global cooling cycle soon...  relax.  or.... go on another "man made global ice age" panic binge.  If you live long enough you will finally get tired of the alarmist BS.

lazs

[Angus]

Our glacier scientists (living at the edge of the arctic circle) certainly spot an abnormality. So do the farmers, the fishermen and the botanists, the maritime biologists, the insect experts, the metreologists, the tourists, the photographers and the common people. All within a few dozen years.
The abnormality means very fast warming. Must be a fake, huh?

[RASTER]

Thats exactly right 'lazs',  in the 60's they said a second ice age was on the way. I remember it. However, you might also know that a 20 year period of warming preceedes an ice age.  So the CO2 build up might be a good thing if you believe the absorption science they are claiming.

What we really need to worry about is a Gamma Ray burst anywhere in our galaxy. The only reason there is life in the milky way is because a Gamma Ray burst is behind schedule due to the build up of iron.

RASTER

[Toad]

Laz, I guess us old fellers that survived the "Population Bomb" of 1968 (Remember Paul Ehrlich?) and luckily made it out of the New Ice Age announced in the June 24, 2974 Time magazine, dodgede the swine flu, bird flu, running out of oil, death of the oceans, etc., etc.,  may have a different view of the disaster du jour that is routinely announced whenever scientists run out of funding.

[indy007]

Angus,

Ice core samples for atmospherics are inherently flawed. If glaciers were a closed system, the numbers would be usable in making a good arguement. They're not. Glaciers are an open system. There's too many variables.. like the gas release when crushing the crystalline ice structure simply drilling to get the sample.

Mans environmental impacts locally are far worse than they are globally. We still don't even account for 3.4% of annual atmospheric co2... and co2 is a rather important trace element... if you enjoy having a food chain.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
Well, pardon me, but I rather take a UK "scientist" (Who probably has a British qualified university degree in i.e. physics or metreology) to be worthy of his words than somebody called Jackal1.  

I have no problem with that Angus. You will believe whatever and whoever you wish to believe. That`s certainly your right. It is also mine to disagree or agree.
Whether someone is worthy or not worthy of their words can be determined by many things, but most of all they have to actualy say something that can be proven or disproven to be weighed. To me a university degree of any kind carries no merit or weight when the person or persons in question does not state one way or the other and only eludes to what ifs and maybes.
In fact, a degree does not shake or bake one way or the other when it comes to someones word. I have seen way too many degree holders who couldn`t boil water on a blast furnace. Some use their studies for degrees to pursue what they have a passion for in life. Way too many degrees are nothing more than a commodity, that mean less than nothing, that is bought and sold to the highest bidder.
I base a man`s word on past experience , not on how much money some poor old Dad spent to buy Junior a wall hanging he didn`t deserve or earn.
A degree in life in a pretty good resume as far as I`m concerned.
I guess what I am trying to say is "Show me the beef". So far, nothing but baloney has been served up in my opinion. I am open to change at any time someone comes up with facts they can back up.

[Angus]

Originally posted by indy007
Angus,

Ice core samples for atmospherics are inherently flawed. If glaciers were a closed system, the numbers would be usable in making a good arguement. They're not. Glaciers are an open system. There's too many variables.. like the gas release when crushing the crystalline ice structure simply drilling to get the sample.

Mans environmental impacts locally are far worse than they are globally. We still don't even account for 3.4% of annual atmospheric co2... and co2 is a rather important trace element... if you enjoy having a food chain.

Indy: Ice core samples are just about the only samples of ancient air that we have.  They also contain the particles that came with the snow.
As for our "share" of the CO2, man's impact is also on the disposal side. Fling the numbers as you like, but please also look at CO2 ppm vs what used to be. What is it, - double, heading for triple?

Anf Jackal1, - you may also belive what you like, that does not change the fact that the caps are indees melting rather fast. It is your right to carry on so untill you have your nose in water.
(See the film "Eric the Viking" )

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Angus
Our glacier scientists (living at the edge of the arctic circle) certainly spot an abnormality. So do the farmers, the fishermen and the botanists, the maritime biologists, the insect experts, the metreologists, the tourists, the photographers and the common people. All within a few dozen years.
The abnormality means very fast warming. Must be a fake, huh?

How does this or any of your theories prove that global warming isn't simply a measure of the effect of the Sun?  The Earth's temperature is rising.   I didn't deny that un my original post.  I'm asking for some proof that man is causing global warming.  Do you have any?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus

Anf Jackal1, - you may also belive what you like, that does not change the fact that the caps are indees melting rather fast.

I`ll take your word on the caps melting Angus. I have said so many times before.
What I haven`t seen is anything to link it with the global warming theory that has any backbone to it.
The ice is melting. Once again.....ice has been known to melt. The ice melting or sluffing off can be caused by many things.

It is your right to carry on so untill you have your nose in water.

Hehe. And you have the right to hang on to this doomsday scenario until a new version is released.

[Angus]

Tell you what.
The other day, I watched the Gore movie, - finally.
Maybe it's a bit over the top, - OTT, - so some people discard it alltogether. I still have to say, that my opinion was that the film is dramatic, and paints us the things pretty much in black and white.+
It still brings up some clear stats, and some go along with many things I have been posting, such as forests being burned down being a pretty naughty thing (30% of CO2 emissions only due to forest-burndowns), etc etc.
Anyway, as it goes to the ice melting (yes, actually melting), we are entering a very interesting zone, complicated as it is, the things happening are rather absolute, and sticking out as NOT being a part of the normal swings known before.
So, warming is happening, we can just debate wether we have a part in it.
Since I think it is sheer folly to think that mankind has no impact on the globe as a whole, and thereby also the atmosphere, I put the debate into the park of "How much has mankind to do with global warming".
Break that up into various categories, and you will find out that CO2 emissions are but a part of the equation. We have methane as well, we have deforestation and other things.
Gore puts it rather simple, but the whole circus is complicated. However, the basics are there. We have a warming blueball, as well as record breaking greenhouse gas quantities.  Coinsidence ??
Oh, and to put this straight:
"The ice melting or sluffing off can be caused by many things."
Such as who apart from...warming?

[john9001]

i have been wanting to plant some trees to offset my carbon footprint, but i can't , it's still unseasonably cold.