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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2007, 08:19:09 AM »
fastfwd..  the chicken littles of the planet are bombarding us with this scare every day... are you afraid of debate?    Perhaps you can tell us what is causing the warming...  do you agree with algore?   Do you think the sun has anything to do with it?

angus...

http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

this site has the numbers...  what is means is that if greenhouse gas is causing global warming that... we are contributing 0.28% if water vapor is taken into account... if we discount water vapor our contribution is more like 5% total.

Of that...  nature contributes 68,500 ppb and we contribute 11,500 ppb

now... if 30% of that tiny amount is forests being burned by man... What do you want to do?    Tell people in starving countries that to save the planet we want to reduce greenhouse gases by maybe 0.08% because there is a chance that this tiny amount is killing the planet and to do so they will just have to frigging starve?

or... iceland or england will just send them a monthly check to make em stop?

What do you want to do?   How much are you willing to suffer to feel good about it.. like you are "doing something"... or.... more accurately... how much are you willing to make everyone else suffer?

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« Reply #76 on: April 11, 2007, 08:27:28 AM »
for those of you who were unable to see the "swindle" documentary or just want the short written version....

http://www.goglobalwarmingawareness2007.com/globalwarming-is-not-due-to-manmade-carbon-dioxide.html

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« Reply #77 on: April 11, 2007, 08:43:58 AM »
lol

You are very good at pointing out spelling mistakes and using the quote function of this BBS, but not so good at answering questions.

"As said before it can be caused by many things. Local weather pattern changes. Chemicals.....or perhaps changes in the sun, undersea volcanic actions. Many things."

LOL!  Riiiight. [<- Spelling mistake done on purpose] Local weather pattern changes eh?  Caused by what...PRECISLEY?  Chemicals?  WHICH chemicals?  Changes in the sun?  Can you be any more vague?  Undersea volcanic "actions"?  You have to do better than that man.  Which undersea volcanos?  Where are they, under the polar ice caps or elsewhere?

Many things...yes...that come right off the top of your head with no basis in fact at all.

LOL!  Your criticism of the scientific community is a little thin if you expect anyone to even suspect YOU know what you are talking about.  It is ovious to me so far that you have NO IDEA.

Enlighten me and prove me wrong.
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« Reply #78 on: April 11, 2007, 09:08:00 AM »
Indy:
So, you side with Castro on that one?
Regarding the food chain, BTW, our habits and selection of food have a lot to do with how much land is needed to feed each person. Eating corn directly is for instance many times more effective than feeding the corn to pigs and eating the bacon.
As forr PPM, I'm not getting you. CO2's PPM's are measured all around the globe, and are simply showing increases. We are not breaking the world record yet, but we're sure heading there.

And Lazs....what do I want to do?
"What do you want to do? How much are you willing to suffer to feel good about it.. like you are "doing something"... or.... more accurately... how much are you willing to make everyone else suffer?"

Maybe stop buing their tobacco (then they can use their land to feed themselves) and stop paying them with artillery and ammo? :D
Honestly, we fat westerners are a good source for the 3rd world pillage, since we benefit from their quick and illgotten gains. It gives us cheaper colonial products while it lasts. In many cases our western productions cannot compete with their prices, since we have a different setup for ourselves.
Of course this will eventually have an end. Might be a rather naughty one.

Then on to vapour. Yes, Water vapour is indeed the greatest of the greenhouse gases, and I think it was actually me who pointed that out in the first place. Here we enter the borders of the doomsday theory, for heating will also increase the quantity of water vapour, and with heating enough we will enter the vicious circle leading to Venus atmosphere. (I rather don't favour this one).

And Jackal, this is the funniest .... ever....
"The caps melting is proof of nothing in relation to global warming. Ice has been known to melt before."

So, the ice suddenly starts melting at an increased rate without it having anything to do with warming? Looks like you have to go back to physics, - 1st grade :D
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« Reply #79 on: April 11, 2007, 09:15:59 AM »
angus... so you don't have a solution?

Or.. your solution is to stop trading with those countries that are already starving?   Punish them into even more poverty?

Maybe you will send them a check to make up the difference?

How many people are you willing to see go into mind numbing poverty and how many die in order to test your theory on c02 which.. is being discredited more and more every day.

And why are more and more people starting to doubt?   well.. the science doesn't add up for one thing but...

As we have seen, people love a good scare... armagedon is real popular with the masses.. they (and you) love that crap.

When they start to wake up is when the chicken littles start telling em what sacrafices they have to make to back up the latest whack job theory..

To prove my point.....

What again are willing to have us all do?  what will we need to do?   How will that affect us each on a personal level?

I bet when you say what you want done you start losing the "true believers" of the doomsday religion like ice melting on a hot day (to use a relevant analogy).

ITS THE SUN STUPID

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« Reply #80 on: April 11, 2007, 09:20:43 AM »
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And Jackal, this is the funniest .... ever....
"The caps melting is proof of nothing in relation to global warming. Ice has been known to melt before."

So, the ice suddenly starts melting at an increased rate without it having anything to do with warming? Looks like you have to go back to physics, - 1st grade :D


Might not be so funny to you Angus if you would read what is written. The terms used are global warming .  G L O B A L...global.
The ice melts here when we get it. It`s local  warming....not global.
Once again ...ice has been known to melt. It was melting even before the flavor of the week was donned global warming. It melts in my Jack and Coke. Sad , but true. It is not due to global warming unless I happen to sit on it. :)

Curval when you have something to say just let us know. :)

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But still you find the need to to debate......................y ourself.
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« Reply #81 on: April 11, 2007, 09:53:54 AM »
LOL

Yup...just as I thought.  You CAN'T answer my questions.
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« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2007, 10:08:09 AM »
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LOL

Yup...just as I thought.  You CAN'T answer my questions.


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« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2007, 10:10:27 AM »
Again...awesome use of the quote function.  WTG!

Still no answer to my questions.
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« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2007, 10:18:53 AM »
what was the question?

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« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2007, 10:22:44 AM »
Angus, Cuval, the rest of you "the end is near, repent!" guys...

There are a significant number of scientists that are actual climatologists that disagree with the entire "oh NO! global warming!" scenario/crisis.

Many have been linked or quoted here. I have yet to see any of you address their remarks.

It has been noted that many of the Gore camp scientists are not in fields related to climatology.

How can you casually and totally disregard what the actual climatologists are saying?
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« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2007, 10:27:30 AM »
"Or.. your solution is to stop trading with those countries that are already starving? Punish them into even more poverty?"
Well, there might be some way to convince Brazil to decrease their deforestation without directly starving them.....such as....NOT buying their cheap food? :D
(They're the biggest one in deforestation).
Of course this "problem" will solve itself, when deforestation is no more, for eventually it will reach the end limit, and according to your theories, that will not have any influence on the global climate any more than other doings of mankind. Funny that we can hack and burn down the forests of the globe, and pump out long stored charbon from ancient times without even making a dent in the normal cycles of the thin veil we call atmosphere....

And Jackal1, always the Joker:
"Might not be so funny to you Angus if you would read what is written. The terms used are global warming . G L O B A L...global.
The ice melts here when we get it. It`s local warming....not global.
Once again ...ice has been known to melt. It was melting even before the flavor of the week was donned global warming. It melts in my Jack and Coke. Sad , but true. It is not due to global warming unless I happen to sit on it. "

Well, maybe the earth is having a local warming problem then. The warming only occurs where world's Jacals cannot deny it.
But wait a second. If the globe was then stable, it means that vast cooling in all other places is needed for the average, since the poles are warming. But...but...where is the cooling?Europe? nope, warming there, I'm afraid.
Africa? Neg, they complain about the heat. Asia? Same story. Okayokay, maybe in TEXAS!!!!!
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« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2007, 10:30:26 AM »
I hate the cold.  Drive an SUV.

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« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2007, 10:31:11 AM »
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Angus, Cuval, the rest of you "the end is near, repent!" guys...

There are a significant number of scientists that are actual climatologists that disagree with the entire "oh NO! global warming!" scenario/crisis.

Many have been linked or quoted here. I have yet to see any of you address their remarks.

It has been noted that many of the Gore camp scientists are not in fields related to climatology.

How can you casually and totally disregard what the actual climatologists are saying?


The ACTUAL climatologists are in both camps. Guess where the headcount is bigger :p
I live in a country which is a very good practice field for a climatologist/metreologist, due to it's irrational weather. I have not found one yet, that discards global warning. This actually goes further, - Agriculture experts and Maritime biologists are to be listened to as well...but same result. Air is warming, Oceans are warming, Land is warming, and Ice is melting.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2007, 10:36:17 AM »
Angus, would you like a list of actual climatologists that dispute the whole man made global warming scare?

What I am asking is, with lots of climatologists on both sides of the issue, how is it you totally disregard those that disagree with you? In other words, how can you be so certain your side is correct?
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