Originally posted by Toad
Angus, would you like a list of actual climatologists that dispute the whole man made global warming scare?
What I am asking is, with lots of climatologists on both sides of the issue, how is it you totally disregard those that disagree with you? In other words, how can you be so certain your side is correct?
Angus has already addressed this, but I'll throw my $0.02 in.
I don't disregard either side Toad. I read the links and I read all of the comments.
The thing that makes me "lol" though is that you have put anyone who doesn't buy into your SIDE of the debate into Al Gore's camp and make us out to be.....well all the names you see us being called in this thread, from chicken littles to just plain stupid. Then you accuse Angus and I of completely ignoring climatologists. It's quite incredible.
YOUR side completely ignores your own Environmental Protection Agency's writings on the topic of global climate change which I have posted many times and demonises them as liberal al gore types. Well, unless an alternative energy source to fossil fuels is presented....then the calls for assesments by the EPA come out in full force.
Even the oil companies have information out there on global climate change:
http://www.bp.com/subsection.do?categoryId=4529&contentId=7014604or are beginning to alter their stance on the topic:
"Exxon, the world's largest publicly traded oil company by market value, long has been a lightning rod in the global-warming debate. Its top executives have openly questioned the scientific validity of claims that fossil-fuel emissions are warming the planet, and it has funded outside groups that have challenged such claims in language sometimes stronger than the company itself has used. Those actions have prompted criticism of the company by environmentalists and by Democrats in the U.S., who now control the Congress."
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"Exxon has stopped funding the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a Washington-based think tank that last year ran television ads saying that carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, is helpful. After funding them previously, Exxon decided in late 2005 not to fund for 2006 CEI and "five or six" other groups active in the global-warming debate, Kenneth Cohen, Exxon's vice president for public affairs, confirmed this week in an interview at Exxon's headquarters in Irving, Texas. He declined to identify the groups beyond CEI; their names are expected to become public in the spring, when Exxon releases its annual list of donations to nonprofit groups."
"Myron Ebell, director of CEI's energy and global-warming program, declined to comment about why Exxon didn't fund CEI last year. But he added: "Like any company, they are concerned about both policies and image."
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"More significant are the meetings between executives from Exxon and other companies to discuss the potential structure of a U.S. carbon regulation."
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"The changes in Exxon's words and actions are nuanced. The oil giant continues to note uncertainties in climate science. It continues to oppose the Kyoto Protocol, the international global-warming treaty that limits emissions from industrialized countries that have ratified it. It also stresses that any future carbon policy should include developing countries, where emissions are rising fastest."
"Still, the company's subtle softening is significant and reflects a gathering trend among much of U.S. industry, from utilities to auto makers. While many continue to oppose caps, these companies expect the country will impose mandatory global-warming-emission constraints at some point, so they are lining up to try to shape any mandate so they escape with minimum economic pain."
But...no. It is Angus and I who are ignoring stuff.
LOL
Jackal is unable to answer some very specific scientific questions on the topic and is trying to say that explaining it to me would be (searches back):
"equal to trying to teach a rock about gravity"
This implies he does know but isn't telling. I wish he'd at least try as maybe I can learn something. Unlike all of the experts here I don't have the qualifications to determine that global warming is real or not.
My mind is open.
Unlike many here.
