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Offline AquaShrimp

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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2007, 05:41:03 PM »
As an amateur historian, totally disregarding my political affiliation as a Republican, or my education from a liberal institution (a university *gasp*), it is my opinion that the senate majority leader is right.
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2007, 05:44:30 PM »
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We planted a democracy seed in that area once, the Shaw,  


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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2007, 05:47:02 PM »
This war is the biggest foriegn policy mistake in the history of our Country. Anyone who can't see that is blind. Anyone who speaks the truth about it is a patriot.
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2007, 05:51:51 PM »
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You have lost. The terrorists have won a tremendous victory. It's only a matter of time.


This must really make you happy.  I bet you gleefully chant this before you go to bed at night.

Too bad for you, you are wrong.
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2007, 05:55:40 PM »
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This war is the biggest foriegn policy mistake in the history of our Country. Anyone who can't see that is blind. Anyone who speaks the truth about it is a patriot.


MT, With all due respect, our biggest foreign policy mistakes were two fold:

A: Not going to Baghdad the first time, and not supporting the Kurds after we incited them to rise up against Sadaam.

B: Not taking a stronger stance against terrorism in the post 92 election to the 2000 election.  Had Slick Willy taken Osama back when the Sudanese offered him to us, none of this would be the issue now.  Furthermore the issues in Sudan would not be coming such a head as well.

Blame this all you want on Bush Jr, but the administrations of Carter and Clinton dug this hole deeper than anyone else could have.  Bush is just the only one to come along recently with the balls to say, "enough is enough" and acted on it.
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2007, 05:56:41 PM »
What if when we pull out, the area turns peaceful, just like Vietnam.
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2007, 06:14:08 PM »
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What if when we pull out, the area turns peaceful, just like Vietnam.


PahLeez Louise do not confuse Marxism with Terrorism.

If we leave today I envision us being back there within 10 years trying to regain the same ground that we already hold today.  Do you think if we leave then return years later the Iraqi people will love us more?

Wash, Rinse, Repeat....

To ditch on the Iraqi's now and try to return would be like "Fool me once, Shame on you. Fool me twice, Shame on me."

Don't let Liberals and Yellow Journalism fool you.

Mac <----- Refuses to conform to Sheepdom.
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2007, 06:23:26 PM »
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What if when we pull out, the area turns peaceful, just like Vietnam.


Vietnam didn't become peaceful until after the Communists from North Vietnam conquered South Vietnam and reunited the country. The US troop withdrawal just allowed the death of South Vietnam as a sovereign country. Peace didn't happen there for nearly 2 years after our last combat troops left the country as I recall.
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2007, 06:24:24 PM »
Everyone kept saying Vietnam would turn into a huge bloodbath when we pulled out.  It didn't.  Now the same people are saying Iraq will turn into a bloodbath if we pull out (what do they think it is right now?).
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2007, 06:32:00 PM »
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Everyone kept saying Vietnam would turn into a huge bloodbath when we pulled out.  It didn't.  Now the same people are saying Iraq will turn into a bloodbath if we pull out (what do they think it is right now?).


You need to study history better. If you're unaware of the MILLIONS slaughtered after the U.S. left SouthEast Asia, I suggest you look into a little more reading.
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2007, 06:37:03 PM »
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Everyone kept saying Vietnam would turn into a huge bloodbath when we pulled out.  It didn't.  Now the same people are saying Iraq will turn into a bloodbath if we pull out (what do they think it is right now?).


you so wrong, Vietnam did turn into a bloodbath.
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2007, 06:45:06 PM »
Virgil Hilts, quit trying to sneakily change what I said.

I said VIETNAM.  Not SOUTH EAST ASIA.  The massive blood-bath happened in Cambodia.  Ironically, it was communist insurgents who were just waiting for the Cambodian government to become weakened to rise up and strike.  The Cambodian government became weakened trying to assist the U.S. by striking the North Vietnamese.

So the massive bloodbath never happened in Vietnam.  There were a few executions, but most people, even those that cooperated with the U.S., were allowed to assimilate into the new communist rule.
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2007, 06:57:34 PM »
I'm not sneaking about anything. You're just ignoring the truth.
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2007, 08:32:10 PM »
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breaking news, december 14 1944

the mighty germany army that everyone thought was defeated has broken through the allied lines in the Ardennes and is driving hard to the port of Antwerp to cut the allied forces in half, thousands of allied prisoners have been taken, american troops are surrounded at Bastogne, the germans are using a new super tank that is unstoppable,
The american congress has advised FDR to accept the cease fire terms hitler has offered.


Saddly enough. Today. that would in all likelyhood be the case.

Of course that would be if we were still there after the Normandy disaster on June 6th of 44
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2007, 08:40:53 PM »
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This war is the biggest foriegn policy mistake in the history of our Country. Anyone who can't see that is blind. Anyone who speaks the truth about it is a patriot.


I can agree in part in this statement

Doing it I dont think was a mistake.

They way went about doing it after the fall of bagdhad was where the  greatest mistakes were made.

For as evil as they were
Even the Nazis were better at taking over countries then we have shown
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