Author Topic: A US puppet govt wont be tolerated (Read 2027 times)

Elfie · « **Reply #30 on:** April 22, 2007, 04:24:00 AM »

Salmonella Choleraesuis - Biological component, uses biological warfare, and research. I'm not going to list a reference on this one simply because the majority of the links I viewed appeared to be articles based on medical research.

Man I'm getting tired.

Klebsiella Pneumoniae - Biological component, uses, I guess this one can also be used in biological warfare if you want to give everyone pnuemonia. It is also used for research and educational purposes according to this link.

http://www.microbelibrary.org/asmonly/details.asp?id=2290

Bacillus cereus - biological component, uses, bio-weapons and research. Link to one research article provided.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/j5w321l210383u22/

Staphylococcus epidermidis - biological component, uses.....not sure how this one can be used as a biological weapon since it is usually non-pathogenic except in cases of those with comprimised immune systems or those using a catheter.

http://www.answers.com/topic/staphylococcus-epidermidis

Ok I'm not going through the few that are left, it's getting very late here and I think I've shown that these items are dual-use items.

I'm not saying they weren't used by Iraq to produce biological weapons.

How do you restrict the sale of dual-use items? Do you base this on the potential for misuse? Or do you sell them based on the assumption that they will be used for legal purposes? Some of these items have medical applications, do you restrict their sale because they have the potential to be misused?

Looking back with hindsight, sure, they were misused by Iraq. Is it the fault of the US that Saddam misused them? One article I saw mentioned that in 1989 it was discovered that Saddam had aggressively pursued a biological weapons program and had in fact, weaponized some biological agents. I've noticed that in your source, the latest date of any shipment is 1989. Looks like the US stopped shipments when it was discovered that Saddam was in fact weaponizing biological agents.

You mentioned that the US shipped chemical weapons to Saddam yet you provided a link for biological agents. Care to post a new link for the chemical agents?

Elfie · « **Reply #31 on:** April 22, 2007, 04:26:39 AM »

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And the saddest part is that when the politicians mess everything up down there, you the good regular folks of US have to suffer because of it.

Isn't that the case when politicians mess things up, no matter what their nationality is? Look at all the suffering the German and Japanese people endured during WWII because of the Allied bombing campaigns.

Thats just one example......very sad.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #32 on:** April 22, 2007, 04:54:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Isn't that the case when politicians mess things up, no matter what their nationality is? Look at all the suffering the German and Japanese people endured during WWII because of the Allied bombing campaigns.

Thats just one example......very sad.

Yep you're right, the only thing is that in your case it's happening as we speak.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 22, 2007, 05:27:15 AM »

Gee............Iran has a bad outlook on the U.S.
There will be a lot of hearts broke and a lot of sleep lost over that.

-tronski- · « **Reply #34 on:** April 22, 2007, 06:05:41 AM »

After the revolution, there was a real effort between the newly formed Iranian govt. and the Carter Administration to stablise relations which immediately fell apart after the Shah was allowed into the US for medical treatment. The Iranians took this as well as the Bush Administration took the Teleban's sheltering of Bin Laden.
This resentment was magnified by Reagen taking an active role in support of Iraq during the first Gulf War during the tanker war phase. Iran was winning the war at this stage, and because Saudi Arabia, and the US feared the eventual Iranian victory, backed the Iraqis (who started the war) and attacked its oil platforms eventually bankrupting the war effort and leading to an armistance.

As for direct military shipments, the US only shipped helicopters directly, with the Russians and to a lesser extent the French the major suppliers. Reagan and the CIA preferred to send or arrange munitions, and technology supplies through third parties like Kuwait, or Egypt. Chemicals for weapons were supplied mostly by the West Germans, British, Chinese, and Egyptians.

Tronsky

mora · « **Reply #35 on:** April 22, 2007, 06:27:48 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I'm constantly dumbfounded by many peoples anti-american stance. It seems that your foreign policies have upset many people seriously and/or the local media has published anti-american articles much the same way how every other american now hates France due to the media pushing opinnions that way.

Envy is the reason behind it. It just boosts your self-esteem to find faults in the things you envy. I find hard to get along with those types of people on any level. Many people and the media always think worst of the US and try to find negative things about it, no matter how small. On US opponents they do their best to find positives, no matter how small.

Elfie · « **Reply #36 on:** April 22, 2007, 12:28:59 PM »

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Chemicals for weapons were supplied mostly by the West Germans, British, Chinese, and Egyptians.

Do you have sources for that?

x0847Marine · « **Reply #37 on:** April 22, 2007, 01:44:35 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
x0847Marine
you should move to Iran, where you can defend against the "great satan".

Nah... but I'll tell you what, she'll debate you on the subject right here and I promise you'll end up looking silly.

Like it or not, agree or not, there are generations of "perceived" wrongs by the US in the mid east.. with that much bad blood in the water are people in the mid east just going to shrug their shoulders, forgive and forget?? finally give up and say "Ok Satan, we give up... you win"

Or is this fiasco going to succeed because GW Bush is charismatic clever, and brilliant leader that they will rally around? please tell me why a govt considered a US puppet will be tolerated? if you can.

Maybe you don't want to believe it, but for years our so called leaders have not been up to "only good things" in the mid east.

Laurie · « **Reply #38 on:** April 22, 2007, 01:57:55 PM »

There comes a time when you just have to say,

F*uck the lot of them bastards,
I feel the disgraceful and scandelous capture of 14 British servicemen and women and temporary imprisonment/torture seals my opinion of major parts of the area, especially tehran.

The trouble with West/East gulf is the fact that they are 500 years behind us in culture. they still believe in EXTREME violence and barbaric warfare. They sadly see the west as such a satan place because of propaganded envy of our technoligies and lifestyles.

The one thing i find most shocking is this,

i am 14 and go to a private school in the UK, there is one arabian boy from saudi arabia.

He said and i quote in one R.E. lesson where the nuclear arms race between pakistan/india; " i'm just glad we have armed up to defeat the west"

and

in a lunch time " i am only here with you people to get a diploma and then i'm back to the motherland"

i responded with......" so you'll come 'migrate' here, claim social benefits, p*ss off fellow students, bully small kids when they wont give you answers in tests, use our good facilities.. and then bugger off to your supposed 'homeland' when in fact you have only lived there for bloody year and 13 here.'

i was punished with a week's suspension for racism but i feel i was just so enraged by his arrogant and scandelous comments and actions i had to say soemthing.

call me right wing, or zenephobic>, WHICH I AM NOT< but i back my actions
and the UN sanctions/war in iraq,

john9001 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 22, 2007, 04:44:39 PM »

x0847Marine, now i'm really confused, are you saying the Iraq people elected a US puppet govt that they now don't like or the govt they elected is not the govt they wanted or are you confused or are the Iraq people confused?

i cannot debate you Iranian woman because under Islamic law she should keep quiet, wear a veil and walk 5 steps behind me or be stoned to death.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #40 on:** April 22, 2007, 04:54:16 PM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
John, Xmarine's only giving us his Sister-in-laws' POV, which is relevant since she's Iranian. We can't condemn X like that, He's simply showing us what the other side of the coin thinks/feels.

And it's not only the Iranians or other Middle-East countries that think that. Central and South American countries feel the same way about US. I think even Canada not too long ago protested about US interference into their own political process during some recent Canadian nation election.

A US President said long ago, that the US doesn't have any friends, it has interests.

ack-ack

john9001 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 22, 2007, 04:57:38 PM »

well , i'm just giving another POV which is relevent since i'm american to show what a different side of the coin thinks/feels.

Rino · « **Reply #42 on:** April 22, 2007, 05:06:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And it's not only the Iranians or other Middle-East countries that think that. Central and South American countries feel the same way about US. I think even Canada not too long ago protested about US interference into their own political process during some recent Canadian nation election.

A US President said long ago, that the US doesn't have any friends, it has interests.

ack-ack

Which makes us different from other countries how?

Slash27 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 22, 2007, 05:13:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Laurie
F*uck the lot of them bastards,

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #44 on:** April 22, 2007, 05:47:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
What the US would put in power could only be better.

Let's bring back the Peacock Throne! The Shah's son is still alive and I'm sure we can re-organize SAVAK. It would be a hoot, just like the old days and I'm sure the Iranian people would love us for it like when we did this back in the '50s.

ack-ack