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Offline x0847Marine

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« on: April 21, 2007, 06:08:55 PM »
My soon to be xwifes sister, who grew up in Iran, had a good take on why a US "puppet" govt will be doomed to failure in the mid east... its got everything to do with the epic failures of US "meddling" in the region, our pals Israel, and the genuine hatred for the US govt that' has resulted.

Some examples of US "meddling" from her POV which failed on many levels:

In 1953 the CIA helped overthrow the Iranian Prime Minister, installed the Shah and helped start SAVAK, which she called "Iranian gestapo"... who were trained by the CIA and were just as brutal as Saddam's dudes, if not worse. People were rounded up, jailed, tortured, killed and the blame lay squarely on the United States shoulders as far as the "resistance" was concerned.

The Shah was a spectacular failure of US foreign policy, resulting in Khomeini  taking power after the people revolted against the US "puppet", stormed the US embassy, held hostages and all that.

Since then the US is referred to as "the Great Satan" in Iran, scarier than the boogie man... untold numbers of Iranians have been rounded up, jailed and or vanished for being spies of "The Great Satan", once again the US Govt to blame as far as many are concerned. They're basically paranoid about more possible US interference and take brutal measures to keep The Great Satan out.

Khomeini taking over, that really got us perturbed, so we crawled into bed with Saddam Hussein, you know the big bad WMD guy, armed, informed and funded him... he attacks Iran with our full support. Apparently its "well known" by people in the mid east that we were fully aware Saddam used US satellite intel to gas Iranian troops... which is why "many" in Iran see supplying IED / weapons to Iraq enemy fighters is seen as "payback" and they support it.

Of course to the Iranians the Iraq Vs Iran war is just another US orchestrated attack on Iran's sovereignty by "The great Satan", millions end up dead.

For generations now Arab Muslims, Persian Christians, Sunnies and she-ites have supported their brethren against "The Great Satans" tremendous screw ups across border lines... from Saudi, Syria, Egypt..

So far, in the past 50+ years, as far as a great many people in the region are concerned, the US has done nothing but damage in the mid east, while being best friends with Israel, Saddam and the Shah.

As they see it now, when trying to manipulate Iran failed miserably, we moved next door to Iraq, and what a fantastic job we've done there making friends.

With all this history of failed US policy in the region, with the US always backing the wrong guy (Shah / Saddam) leading to unmitigated disaster, and our close ties with the "Zionists"..  why will a US "puppet" govt will be tolerated today? hatred for US policy has been around for generations and lots of people are more than willing to go kill US troops to avange family members killed the in Iran / Iraq war, jailed, tortured, murdered.
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Offline Bodhi

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2007, 06:46:24 PM »
Just because she believes propoganda does not make it right.

There are two sides to that story.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2007, 06:51:58 PM »
x0847Marine
you should move to Iran, where you can defend against the "great satan".
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2007, 07:18:12 PM »
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Just because she believes propoganda does not make it right.

There are two sides to that story.


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x0847Marine
you should move to Iran, where you can defend against the "great satan".



Ahh... the misinformed...  gotta look beyond the horizons:aok
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Offline FrodeMk3

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2007, 07:32:57 PM »
This thread's gonna be the ugliest yet, I fear.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2007, 07:35:33 PM »
oh boy this one is off to flaming start.
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Offline Viking

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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2007, 07:37:08 PM »
*Hands Storch a beer while setting up the lawn chair*
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Offline Bodhi

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2007, 07:49:07 PM »
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Ahh... the misinformed...  gotta look beyond the horizons:aok


keep it up with the insults...

We all know you are an expert in foreign and internal policy actions past and present in both Iran and the US.

:rolleyes:

people these days....
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Offline FrodeMk3

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2007, 07:50:36 PM »
John, Xmarine's only giving us his Sister-in-laws' POV, which is relevant since she's Iranian. We can't condemn X like that, He's simply showing us what the other side of the coin thinks/feels.
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Offline oboe

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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2007, 07:54:30 PM »
Hope to see Babek's take on this.    Doesn't seem like a controversial view to me, and I'm having a hard time imagining what the "other side" viewpoint could be.
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Offline john9001

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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2007, 08:02:08 PM »
ok Frode, i semi-retract my statement.:)
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2007, 08:02:50 PM »
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This thread's gonna be the ugliest yet, I fear.


Oh no!
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Offline Dago

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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2007, 08:03:16 PM »
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John, Xmarine's only giving us his Sister-in-laws' POV, which is relevant since she's Iranian. We can't condemn X like that, He's simply showing us what the other side of the coin thinks/feels.


The title of this thread really is hilarious when you think of it.  Think of what they have tolerated and even elected for leaders in recent years, and the fact will evident, the Iranians are happy to elect certifiably insane leaders.  What the US would put in power could only be better.

I have to wonder, why are the Iranians so easily brainwashed and suseptible to being controlled?
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2007, 08:04:43 PM »
I fail to see how the US armed Saddam. When you look at the weapons his army used, AK-47's, T-72 tanks etc. (And the MiGs his Air Force used) it sure looks like the USSR armed him.

As far as putting the Shah in power, yeah....the US did that, along with the Brits.
The CIA did train SAVAK, but did they train SAVAK in the use of torture or just how to gather and interpret intel? That we may never know.

Once Saddamn started using chemical weapons against Iran, the whole world knew shortly thereafter.
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2007, 08:25:55 PM »
If I were to take a guess, Elfie, The reason he had mainly Soviet equipment is because that is what was most easily obtainable. Alot of gunrunners all over the world, either Pro-Soviet or Pro-U.S., Will aquire Soviet equipment to sell, since it's much more prolific,(and cheaper,) thusly making things like logistics and supply easier. Also, things like the AK-47 Have a good reputation for reliability and simplicity, especially in Third-world countries. I doubt that anyone would also want to sell directly in such a situation; If you can sell/buy through a third party, and only supply money for arms, it's easier to keep your involvment covert. Directly giving him American equipment(Besides depleting our own stocks) Would pretty much mean direct American involvment. Which, at the time of the Iran/Iraq war, in the Early to Late 80's, we were still in the grip of the cold war. There was the USSR to contend with. Long winded, that's my take on your question.
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