A US puppet govt wont be tolerated

[Toad]

Does anyone remember the Goofy Gophers?



I think we should all be like them.

[Gunslinger]

Elphie,

I may be late in the game here but didn't Sadam use nerve agent against the kurds and the Iranians?

I didn't see that on the list provided to him.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by john9001

france only supported the colonies after the americans won some major victories with the idea of getting some more caribbean bases, spain said "we want some islands too"and declared war on england, england declared war on the netherlands after the dutch used their islands to ship gunpowder to the colonies.

Not the point.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Elphie,

I may be late in the game here but didn't Sadam use nerve agent against the kurds and the Iranians?

I didn't see that on the list provided to him.

He did and if you look at Tronski's post it shows who sold Saddam precursors for which types of chemical weapons. Note however, that all the precursors on that graph thingie were dual use chemicals, just like what the US sold.

Now is it the fault of all of the countries that sold precursors to Iraq, that Iraq developed WMD's? Only if they sold those items knowing full well what he was doing with them. In the case of the US, we stopped all sales of dual use items as soon as it became clear he was using chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war and against the Kurds. Heck, in at least 2 cases we prosecuted companies for trying to sell precursors. Although in that second case, I think the penalty should have been far more than just a fine.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Eagler
so who do you think is more brain washed?
the average american or the average Iranian?

my guess is the average Iranian.

Alternate answer : you.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by straffo
Alternate answer : you.

of course, with our state run media outlets and all ...

[ravells]

Originally posted by Eagler
of course, with our state run media outlets and all ...

Hmmm: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

There seems to be a perception amongst many people that Iranians are little robots who all share the same value systems, political and religious beliefs and world view.  It may come as a surprise to those people that Iranian views have bell curve of diversity as most other peoples do. Perhaps the curve isn't as wide as one in, say Europe and the US, but it's there.

I recently saw a documentry in which average Iranians were slagging off their government, the west, the man down the road and the encroachment of Islam into what they considered secular matters. Many people looked for their news on radio and the internet and not state television.

In the documentry some of them didn't seem frightened about voicing their opinions, but others were very concerned so they spoke in a sort of 'code' with a lot of nods and winks and 'say no more's.   Recently, a group of teachers who assisted the human rights watch group were arrested, but the national teachers' association has openly criticised this and is intending to hold a demonstration to demand the resignation of the minister of education (good luck to them - I hope they don't get thrown into jail too).

So the problem to me is not so much that they're brainwashed, its that they get arrested if they are critical towards the government.

Ravs