Global warming update

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Originally posted by Odee
Very well put mate.

MrRipleyH: I am going to hold you to that prediction.  then laugh when it turns out wrong.

Or then again you might find yourself riding a cow in a vortex before that happens. Suit yourself.

[Laurie]

gets a whiff of the stench of ignoance, and sees planet america on the horizon,

can't be bothered to waste time talking to brick walls. i'm no way some left wing, tree hugging green peace activist, i'm quite the opposite actually, but i still see  and recognise the effect man is having on the world.

This thread really shows up the culture gap between the two sides of the pond.

[Laurie]

Originally posted by Shifty
This only happens in America?

I agree with you the airplane quip was a cheap shot. I wish you much success in your quest to beome an RAF pilot.

[john9001]

does mowing the grass help or hurt global warming?  i just don't want to do the wrong thing.

[Sabre]

Originally posted by Laurie
gets a whiff of the stench of ignoance, and sees planet america on the horizon,

can't be bothered to waste time talking to brick walls. i'm no way some left wing, tree hugging green peace activist, i'm quite the opposite actually, but i still see  and recognise the effect man is having on the world.

This thread really shows up the culture gap between the two sides of the pond.

With all due respect, Laurie this appears to be the pot calling the kettle black.  I respectfully asked you a rational question above, which you did not respond to.  I've also provided some counter points to your view via the linked articles.  By all appearances your response his been "Old Europe" snobbishness (reference the "stench of ignorance" and "culture gap" remarks above).  If some of us appear to be "brick walls", I submit to you that that appearance may simple reflect the fact that the side of the debate you support has failed to make a convincing argument.

[Dadano]

Originally posted by hyena426

Such global temperature fluctuations are not surprising, for looking back in history we see a regular pattern of warming and cooling. From 200 B.C. to A.D. 600 saw the Roman Warming period; from 600 to 900, the cold period of the Dark Ages; from 900 to 1300 was the Medieval warming period; and 1300 to 1850, the Little Ice Age.

During the 20th century the earth did indeed warm--by 1 degree Fahrenheit. But a look at the data shows that within the century temperatures varied with time: from 1900 to 1910 the world cooled; from 1910 to 1940 it warmed; from 1940 to the late 1970s it cooled again, and since then it has been warming. Today our climate is 1/20th of a degree Fahrenheit warmer than it was in 2001.

Do you have data or graphics that we can compare the rates @ which the temperature went up then and is going up now?

I'm still waiting for data from noaa regarding this.

[hyena426]

Do you have data or graphics that we can compare the rates @ which the temperature went up then and is going up now?

 no..but you cant trust that eric the reds port is full of ice now and back in the 1100's it wasnt? .  from what i read...the glacers forced the vikings out of greenland and out of erics port..which is still abandoned today due to ice and climate change. you cant even get a boat close, let alone a wooden one.

i was just replying to angus anser. and he did not ask for a graf. but im sure you could make your own graf on the data that is out there:) and i just gave up data that was from the wallstreet journal's website. but i dout anyone will trust news sources anyways..lol

[Airscrew]

[Dadano]

Originally posted by hyena426
no..but you cant trust that eric the reds port is full of ice now and back in the 1100's it wasnt? .  from what i read...the glacers forced the vikings out of greenland and out of erics port..which is still abandoned today due to ice and climate change. you cant even get a boat close, let alone a wooden one.

i was just replying to angus anser. and he did not ask for a graf. but im sure you could make your own graf on the data that is out there:) and i just gave up data that was from the wallstreet journal's website. but i dout anyone will trust news sources anyways..lol

I was replying to the second half of your post.

What I am looking for is historical data to compare the rates at which the earth has heated in the past juxtaposed to the rate of heating now. I found some good information from a reliable source.

This is an interesting read from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

(WARNING: Some big words and footnotes are used, this may confuse the unintelligent)

[lazs2]

laurie..  I find your post offensive and.. just plain stupid.   You were asked nicely a few questions and you were given links and data to show the other side of the debate but...

You insist that there be no debate.. it is settled and anyone not bowing to your religion is to be shut up or ignored.

If you have nothing then why get into the thread at all?   Just go on burning as much jet fuel as you can and point fingers at the people burning lights to pay the bills.

You do have the worlds 28th largest army to keep going tho so I guess it is ok.

That is the point... I don't like the people on the other side... they all seem to want to limit others but feel that their lifestyles are justified because they...  they what?  seen algors movie?   drive a polluting prenus?

The debate is over so far as they are concerned.. it is all everyone elses fault and they all need to change their lifestyle.   Man made global warming is too important to have facts interjected into it.

meanwhile... that pesky ol sun seem to be playing right into the hands of the wasteful suv driving right wingers and matching the climate changes like a shadow.

ITS THE SUN STUPID

lazs

[Odee]

The UK... that Socialist country that believes the Gov should take care of everyone...  Yeah, there's a plan for you.  High taxes, low wages, crappy health care bankrupting the nation.  Smart move going to Sov.

Point of fact is, no country other than America, will ever know, or understand our model of Democracy.  You didn't have to fight for it in the first place....

Originally posted by Dadano
I was replying to the second half of your post.

What I am looking for is historical data to compare the rates at which the earth has heated in the past juxtaposed to the rate of heating now. I found some good information from a reliable source....

This is something you will never find from aLGore and company.  Not that it doesn't exist, rather that the evidence refutes their claims.  Same reason they won't discuss this amongst the opposition in a scientific debate, because they cannot prove any of their claims, and the non-Global Warmers can.  But you will hardly find the drive-by media showing an unbiased side to this alarmist theory.

And the two facedness of the defenders of Global Warming?!?!  Drive the Humvees, and jet around in private airplanes while burning more energy of all types than any 20 family's.  Then they have the gall to say they have a "Carbon Credit" by paying into some energy project they don't even use?!?   That's like going to McDees and ordering the Tripple-barfburger, extra large fries and a diet soda.  Shows you how out of touch with the real world these idiots are.

Get real people.  This planet is bigger than all of us together.  We can only affect her on a local level, and when we're gone, she'll find something else to play with her for the next few melinnia.

You really want to change something?  Try personal responsibility for yourself, and pass that ethic on to family, friends, and neighbors.

You want to "Stop Global Warming"?  Get rid of all your tech-toys, cars, houses and go live like the Native Americans of the 1500's and 1600's.

[Sabre]

Actually, native americans were very hard on the local eco-system, despite the Hollywood (earth-friendly, peace-loving conservationist) myth that replaced the equally overblown earlier Hollywood stereotype (that of "the blood-thirsty savage"). They tended to completely deplete the local wildlife over time due to over hunting, forcing them to relocate, rinse, and repeat somewhere else.  Plus, since their energy needs were satisfied almost entirely by burning wood, they would be considered major violators under the current thinking of the enviro-nazis.

[Dadano]

Man made global warming is too important to have facts interjected into it.

Not that it doesn't exist, rather that the evidence refutes their claims. Same reason they won't discuss this amongst the opposition in a scientific debate, because they cannot prove any of their claims, and the non-Global Warmers can. But you will hardly find the drive-by media showing an unbiased side to this alarmist theory.

Here are the lastest Facts that "refute" Gore's claims.

Understand that I have not seen Al Gore's movie, I do not watch Television and I could give a rat **** about your politics or the way you live.

The linked document above contains enough information for me come to the conclusion that we are in fact having a impact on the Earth's warming.

Please post the scientific evidence that the earth is not warming and humans are having no impact. (I do not consider skiing in May as good enough evidence, I ski year round.)

Thanks.

[Odee]

*yawns*

Okay... so what's causing the other planets in our solar system to heat up too?
GOE WITH THE MARTIAN WIND  and the main articls, GLOBAL WARMING ON MARS
 There is not one Scientist listed in that article as contributers.  The data they present is halfarsed, halfbaked, and on sided towards the popular "Keep the people in line by scaring them so they won't see what we're really doing" politicians.

They make no mention what so ever that we are still coming out of the last Ice Age.  

Greenhouse gases... H2o is one of them.  Methane another. (man look out pig farmers, you're next), Co2 is another... Two out of the three I listed are needed for us to exist at all.  Man contributes less than 0.001% to greenhouse gases through our life style.  SOLAR energy, as in the SUN has far greater impact on our environment than anyone... ANYONE on that board has even thought to give credit to.

Man has, and will continue to have a minimal impact on the Earth's climate.  Your *coughs politely* evidence is faulty to the point of laughing.  Show me something that goes back a couple million years up to today and I might reconsider my view...  if the evidence is strong enough.

So again, if MAN is heating the plane Earth, WHO is heating up the other planets, hmmm?  

Now if you want to argue pollution that man creates affecting life on the planet, I'll point you to the salt mines with those thousands of tons of radioactive waste leaking from containers that were supposed to keep us safe from the lethal goop for a thousand years.  Imagine what those isotopes are doing to our water tables at this minute...   and that's only one of the toxins we use to keep the lights shining.

Speaking of lights.  You know what is inside all those cool NOT MADE IN AMERICA energy efficient flourescent bulbs replacing the incandescant?  MERCURY!

Know where all that stuff has started accumulate already?  You local landfill.  Just seeping down into the water table waiting to kill who knows how many million people with well water.

Yeah, your god, the inventer of the internet *bold laughter* He sure has the cures for man made disasters... by setting the stage for even greater ones.

[Dadano]

Okay... so what's causing the other planets in our solar system to heat up too?

So again, if MAN is heating the plane Earth, WHO is heating up the other planets, hmmm?

What does this have to do with the debate?

There is not one Scientist listed in that article as contributers.

False. Every single contributor is an accomplished academic.

The data they present is halfarsed, halfbaked, and on sided towards the popular "Keep the people in line by scaring them so they won't see what we're really doing" politicians.

In what ways is the data "halfarsed, halfbaked..", please elaborate.

Show me something that goes back a couple million years up to today and I might reconsider my view... if the evidence is strong enough.

What you are looking for is Paeleoclimatic information.Does NOAA suffice?
An excerpt:

As the ice-core data show, the increase in carbon dioxide is unprecedented and well outside the range of natural variations. The recent increase matches the increase calculated from the fossil fuel emissions. There is little doubt that these gases will contribute to global warming, and here too the paleo record provides invaluable evidence regarding how much temperature change accompanied changes in carbon dioxide over the past several hundred thousand years

Now if you want to argue pollution that man creates affecting life on the planet, I'll point you to the salt mines...

I agree, we have not been very good stewards.

eah, your god, the inventer of the internet *bold laughter* He sure has the cures for man made disasters... by setting the stage for even greater ones.

As posted above, I have not seen that movie.