Author Topic: US Citizens, how would you feel if this was reversed: (Read 1485 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #30 on:** May 07, 2007, 07:41:19 AM »

Cripes, if there is any issue here it should be with Aussie government, they are the ones that handed him over.

bozon · « **Reply #31 on:** May 07, 2007, 09:33:59 AM »

The man didn't steal a thing. His only real felony is cracking the protection and even that is rediculous. How exactly did he steal? He didn't take anything from the software companies - are they missing any installation CDs? Does he have or had in his posession anything that is their property?

This "spiritual property" and copyrights crap has got to go. Keep sharing those files until companies realize that resistance is futile. Software companies will survive. The music industry will actually improve. I agree that if you use someones music or software to make money, then they are intitled to get a share. But for personal non-profit use? No way.

Quite a large fraction of the music I listen to was made and performed by now dead artists. My concience is clear when I'm not paying large sums of money to their spoiled heirs or greedy record companies. Who exactly an I paying to and what for, when I'm buying a John Coltrain CD recorded in the 60s? The burning of the CD? that costs about 1$. Production costs from 40 years ago? If the artists are alive and I know THEY get the money I'm more willing to pay. Still, that doesn't mean that a rapper, that used to rob liquer stores for a living, should now make enough money to wear gold, drive a hammer be a stinking millioner just because people are paying up without questions. Dire Straits said: "That ain't working".

HTC is a good example of how things are supposed to work. HTC gives the software for free, you pay for the service - not for the installation.

bozon · « **Reply #32 on:** May 07, 2007, 09:34:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Cripes, if there is any issue here it should be with Aussie government, they are the ones that handed him over.

Exactly. That is a crime.

Odee · « **Reply #33 on:** May 07, 2007, 10:33:00 AM »

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Originally posted by bozon
The man didn't steal a thing. His only real felony is cracking the protection and even that is rediculous.
...This "spiritual property" and copyrights crap has got to go. Keep sharing those files until companies realize that resistance is futile.
...But for personal non-profit use? No way.

Bozon must not write, or have any trademarks, patents, or copyrights to make such an ignorant statement.

An what about the novelist? The guy copyrights their book, and somebody rips off the characters, story line, wrold even, and makes a ton of money without compensation to the original author...?

Can't happen? Look to China, and ask Ms. Rollins about it some time. There's a slew of ripoff Harry Potter novels being "created" in China. All the same characters, Locations, and such, but the writing is absoulutely horrible.

Result: Rollins' reputation as a writer is at stake, to say the least of theft of intellectual property without recompense.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #34 on:** May 07, 2007, 10:54:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Odee
Bozon must not write, or have any trademarks, patents, or copyrights to make such an ignorant statement.

An what about the novelist? The guy copyrights their book, and somebody rips off the characters, story line, wrold even, and makes a ton of money without compensation to the original author...?

Can't happen? Look to China, and ask Ms. Rollins about it some time. There's a slew of ripoff Harry Potter novels being "created" in China. All the same characters, Locations, and such, but the writing is absoulutely horrible.

Result: Rollins' reputation as a writer is at stake, to say the least of theft of intellectual property without recompense.

Well you actually debunked your own argument there. If he makes a ton of money ripping someone off, Bozon too wanted him to pay.

bozon · « **Reply #35 on:** May 07, 2007, 11:12:30 AM »

Aside from MrRiplEy's note, I'll shed no tears for Ms. Rollins. With all due respect, the Harry Potter craze is a creation of marketing, not of literature. She has already made a nice profit of this thing (more than was justified in my opinion, but that's just me).

So, if she invented a beast part eagle part horse or what ever that was, then no one else is entitled to cross these animals in his fantasy? Shouldn't she pay some Greek guy who thought of this 2500 year ago?

Can no other magician be called Harry?

If this is something that you can duplicate easily and without actually taking anything, this is not something that should have a dollar value attached to it.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 07, 2007, 01:20:18 PM »

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An what about the novelist? The guy copyrights their book, and somebody rips off the characters, story line, wrold even, and makes a ton of money without compensation to the original author...?

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Can't happen? Look to China, and ask Ms. Rollins about it some time. There's a slew of ripoff Harry Potter novels being "created" in China. All the same characters, Locations, and such, but the writing is absoulutely horrible.

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Naming the list of ripped-off and pirated products that the chinese are manufacturing and selling abroad would be too numerous to list here.

Good luck extraditing anyone out of mainland China.

Keep your eyes peeled in the news, to see if anything like this is reciprocated to Australia.

Viking · « **Reply #37 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:32:56 PM »

Yes he committed a crime or multiple crimes. However he did not commit a crime in either a US State or Federal jurisdiction. How the Americans can try him is beyond my understanding of US law.

ROC · « **Reply #38 on:** May 07, 2007, 03:53:03 PM »

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How the Americans can try him is beyond my understanding of US law.

International Copywrite Laws with an extradition treaty between the 2 nations. If there was no Treaty in place specifically regarding extradition, there would be no way the US can take an Australian citizen. These are laws shared by and enforced by both countries.

The Kid Blew It, that's the real issue, the rest is just drivel and propagandizing. The only thing that's relevant is this. "If" the kid didn't break the law this conversation wouldn't be happening.

Vulcan · « **Reply #39 on:** May 07, 2007, 06:00:09 PM »

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Originally posted by ROC
International Copywrite Laws with an extradition treaty between the 2 nations. If there was no Treaty in place specifically regarding extradition, there would be no way the US can take an Australian citizen. These are laws shared by and enforced by both countries.

The Kid Blew It, that's the real issue, the rest is just drivel and propagandizing. The only thing that's relevant is this. "If" the kid didn't break the law this conversation wouldn't be happening.

Extradition treaty's normally cover fugitives, ie a crime commited on sovereign soil. Which is what puzzles me. Now how will the DMCA apply to australian citizens? And what other civil law will the US decide to enforce on australian citizens?

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #40 on:** May 07, 2007, 06:27:31 PM »

How does this work with interpol?

ROC · « **Reply #41 on:** May 07, 2007, 08:32:12 PM »

Vulcan, I'm sure a simple request to your government would supply you with the relevant treaty number that did authorize this.

The US didn't "decide" to enforce something on an Australian Citizen that Your laws didn't allow, we have no jurisdiction there unless it's granted. So when you wrote to protest your government, how did they respond?

What's normally covered is irrelevant, you need to look at what "IS" covered in the treaty and how it applies. No one in here can solve that for you, take it up with your elected officials.

I'm still trying to figure out why you are so taken aback by this. If there was a treaty in place and some US citizen broke a law that was bound by international law and backed by an extradition treaty, then I say take the stupid twit and do what you want with him. HE broke the friggin law, it's not my concern.