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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2007, 05:06:57 PM »
Give me your terrorists, your racially profiled ,

Your C4 hurling masses yearning to kill free,  

The wretched refuse of your terrorists shore.  

Send these, the islamists, terror-tossing, to me:  

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2007, 05:30:36 PM »
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Whats Baroda have to do with this?
He's communist. Not Islamic:p
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2007, 05:32:36 PM »
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John9001,

What don't you understand about what I mean?    The phrase "common knowledge" implies a knowledge that is shared by many people, not just one.     I believe it is false knowledge, though -- hence the quote from the Wizard of Oz, which asks people to disregard what they see and continue to believe a fantasy.

In the words of former White House counterterrorism director Richard Clark,

I would think the soundness of his logic has been adequately pointed out today.
"Of course, nothing about our being “over there” in any way prevents terrorists from coming here. Quite the opposite, the evidence is overwhelming that our presence provides motivation for people throughout the Arab world to become anti-American terrorists."


Unfortunately these seem to be of the home grown variety
So far they are saying they found no evidence linking them to any terrorist group
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2007, 05:46:42 PM »
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Unfortunately these seem to be of the home grown variety
So far they are saying they found no evidence linking them to any terrorist group


Whats home grown about them? 2 on work visas, 1 naturalized citizen, and 3 illegals. Sure sounds "home grown" to me.

Now, if you mean that 6 (at least) muslims who came into this cuontry from another suddenly decided to get together to kill "infidels" without a direct outside network, then I guess you could call that "home grown" ie: the plot originated amongst foriegn nationals in the US.

All this means to me is that you can't trust a muslim. Any of the could develop "Sudden Jihad Syndrome" at any time. There are no "moderates", no peaceful muslims. All practicing muslims should be considered an armed bomb that could detonate without warning at any time.
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2007, 05:51:03 PM »
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Whats home grown about them? 2 on work visas, 1 naturalized citizen, and 3 illegals. Sure sounds "home grown" to me.

Now, if you mean that 6 (at least) muslims who came into this cuontry from another suddenly decided to get together to kill "infidels" without a direct outside network, then I guess you could call that "home grown" ie: the plot originated amongst foriegn nationals in the US.

All this means to me is that you can't trust a muslim. Any of the could develop "Sudden Jihad Syndrome" at any time. There are no "moderates", no peaceful muslims. All practicing muslims should be considered an armed bomb that could detonate without warning at any time.


thats what I was getting at yes
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2007, 05:58:12 PM »
Its the era of political correctness.

If we eject illegal immigrants, that's perceived as "mean".

And its this sort of nanny-ish attitude that's going to stir more attacks on our own soil.

We need to enforce the laws of the land.

I know this is unheard of these days...but illegal acts should have consequences!

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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2007, 06:40:53 PM »
Hi MT,

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Yeah boy howdy! Lucky we attacked Iraq!


Actually given that they were "ethnic Albanian Muslims" it's more of a case of "Yeah boy howdy! Good thing we intervened in Kosovo and sided with the KLA, otherwise we'd have...ahhhhh... Serbs planning attacks on Ft. Dix. Probly."

Our lack of strategic vision in responding to Jihad extends to well before 2003, MT.
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2007, 07:10:51 PM »
Hello Oboe

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the evidence is overwhelming that our presence provides motivation for people throughout the Arab world to become anti-American terrorists.


Quite so, it was because they were angry that we were going to invade Iraq in 2003 that Muslim Jihadis amongst other things:

* bombed the WTC in 1993
* bombed the Khobar towers in 1996
* bombed US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998
* bombed the US Cole 2000
* attacked Washington D.C. and NYC in 2001
* bombed the US embassy in Karachi in 2002
* bombed Nightclubs in Bali in 2002

Additionally knowing we would invade Iraq made them so angry that they overthrew the Byzantine empire, conquered most of Northern Africa, Spain and the Balkans, and almost captured Western Europe. If we withdraw now, then they might eventually give us some sort of discount on our taxes when we become dhimmis.

I sometimes think the entire Western world needs to collectively reenact the scene in "Good Will Hunting" regarding Jihad  -

Reality: Hey, Western World, It's not your fault.
Western World: [Softly, still staring off] I know...
Reality: No you don't. It's not your fault.
Western World: [Serious] I know.
Reality: No. Listen to me son. It's not your fault.
Western Worldl: I know that.
Reality: It's not your fault.
[Western World is silent, eyes closed]
Reality: It's not your fault.
Western World: [eyes open, misty already] Don't mess with me reality. Not you.
Reality: It's not your fault.
[Western World shoves Reality back, and then, hands trembling, buries his face in his hands. Western World begins sobbing.] etc., etc., etc.


America, the Jihad is not your fault. It's what they do, it's what they've been doing since the 7th century. Whatever you do or don't do will not change that. Deal with it.

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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2007, 07:57:03 PM »
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Actually given that they were "ethnic Albanian Muslims" it's more of a case of "Yeah boy howdy! Good thing we intervened in Kosovo and sided with the KLA, otherwise we'd have...ahhhhh... Serbs planning attacks on Ft. Dix. Probly."

Our lack of strategic vision in responding to Jihad extends to well before 2003, MT.


If you were President during that time how would you have handled Kosovo?

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2007, 09:18:02 PM »
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Its the era of political correctness.

If we eject illegal immigrants, that's perceived as "mean".

And its this sort of nanny-ish attitude that's going to stir more attacks on our own soil.

We need to enforce the laws of the land.

I know this is unheard of these days...but illegal acts should have consequences!


     I can't help wondering what might happen if they just alerted the
Army that the attack was coming..and let them "handle" the situation.
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2007, 09:23:14 PM »
I also can't help but wonder just how terrible a foe has to be before
our liberal pals don't hate the US more than people trying to kill their
neighbors?  

      Of course it's pretty easy to be distant living on the West Coast...not
like you had planes hitting skyscrapers or have a gap in a skyline to
remind you that these folks don't play nice.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2007, 09:48:49 PM »
Anyone here have an idea where the line "to the shores of Tripoli" came from?



























































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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2007, 12:16:21 AM »
Hmmm... Barbary War... IIRC, Bainbridge got his bellybutton handed to him.
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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2007, 01:51:37 AM »
Hi Soda,

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If you were President during that time how would you have handled Kosovo?


I'll be honest with you, there are many reasons I'm glad I'm not and never will be president, dealing with questions like this is one of them.

First off, I believe that the power of wielding the sword is an awesome responsibility, and that it is only given into the hands of civil magistrates in order that they might fulfill their primary duty in protecting their own citizens from evildoers within the state, and those who are an imminent threat to them without it. In other words, I believe that the magistrate has the power to legitimately use the power of the sword in suppressing crime and in defensive wars.

There are any number of conflicts worldwide currently raging that the United States could intervene in for humanitarian reasons. For instance, for decades now the Arab Muslim government in Khartoum has been waging a genocidal war against the Black Christian and Animist peoples of Southern Sudan and Darfur, literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Africans have died or been enslaved as a result. Even as we speak the Janjaweed militias and Sudanese military are continuing their genocidal campaign. To date, the USA has not expressed any interest in intervening to stop this war.

For 400 years since the forced Islamicization of large portions of the Balkans by the Turks, the Serbian orthodox and the Albanian Muslims have been in a state of fairly constant conflict. The memory of battles and attrocities in that region is still fresh and sadly the rule of revenge continues. However, in 1999 after 4 years of guerilla attacks by the KLA a Serbian reprisal in which 45 ethnic Albanians were massacred triggered an American response involving a huge NATO air campaign which gutted the Serbian military and destroyed substantial portions of the transportation network and infrastructure of Belgrade. The American media placed the black hats squarely on the Serbs and the White hats on the Kosovars and America made a decision to intervene although there was no plausible argument that Serbs constitued an imminent threat to America or that American interests were at stake. Since the Serbian defeat, Kosovo has become a haven for Jihadis and organized crime and it has been the ethnic Serbs who have seen their houses and churches burned, and who have become the refugees. But the world no longer cares, "they are getting their come-uppance" and any revision of the previous script might be too disquieting. That is why, for instance, we don't hear much about the foreign Jihadis who fought/are fighting in Kosovo, the Al-Qaeda/Muslim brotherhood links and so on. In this fight, the simple truth is that the fight isn't between good and evil, its between bad and worse and a lot of poor civilians are dying as a result.

Was Milosovec a murderer of women and children? Undoubtedly. Is it wrong to massacre civilians in reprisals? Absolutely. But what made Kosovo a situation we had to intervene in and not one of the countless other abominable conflicts like Rwanda, Liberia, Sudan, or if we feel compelled to support Islamic insurgents in Europe why not Chechnya where the death tolls make Kosovo seem mild by comparison? I could go on but I'm sure you get the point. Why Kosovo and not a hundred other far more horrific conflicts?

In any event, my conscience is captive to the Word, and as awful as this may sound, had I been president I doubt I would have thought a coherent application of Just War theory involved bombing Belgrade. If somehow my estimation is wrong, and we had to intervene there then we must intervene in Sudan and scores of other places ASAP.

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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2007, 02:42:19 AM »
And I'm sure Hillery will claim privey to this as part of Bill's old "Attack on Terrorism" Policy.

Al Sharpton will have people mass in the streets and protest Racial and Ethnic Profiling *as long as these Albanian Fools didn't hurt Soldiers of Color or use the "N, B or H" word.

Nancy Pelosi will travel to Albania, consult in Negotiations and then return to Syria.

John Kerry will vote for and against all of this.

John Edwards will get another $400.00 haircut and pledge to be the one supporting the poor Albanians.

Ted Kennady will rant and rave... then fall asleep... *please place him in a car and send him to the Bridge*

Geraldo will report "live" with a Albanian child in his arms and a tear in his eye...

Go Figure America.  Why does crap happen?

America has their collective heads up their asses.

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