Author Topic: Alabama: Libertarians are terrorists (Read 1520 times)

ROC · « **Reply #15 on:** May 11, 2007, 12:22:56 AM »

The primary reason that States have the freedom to be diverse and unique is to prevent one stupid state mandating that the Nation go down the toilet.

The march to socialism progresses as more states beg for national recognition, acceptance and "leadership".

The founding fathers were brilliant, the right to bear arms is there to protect us from where this is going.

Love the Bush Borg picture. Shame though, really. The Lib States are Begging for a Borg Cube while Bush is telling them to solve their own problems As He Should. But the picture is cute, off the mark, but cute.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 11, 2007, 07:25:09 AM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Origanally posted by lasersailor184
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Actually, they were. The question then becomes, was it right to perpetuate terrorism to achieve a better end?
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Being so, the answer to your question I believe would be that it depends on your point of view. If your a British Redcoat, or officer of King George's Navy in 1776, Then yes, The American's are Rebels, traitors, terrorists, criminals, etc.

If you took up arms for the Cause, and joined the Continental Army, Then your a Patriot, Freedom Fighter, Revolutionary, etc.

The winner's write the history books. Right or wrong, has been, and always will be.

I don't believe you really can argue about points of view. You have the terrorists actions, and the results of those actions.

Those two things are very objective.

AKIron · « **Reply #17 on:** May 11, 2007, 07:29:40 AM »

Dumping tea into the harbor and flying planes into buildings killing thousands while hoping to kill tens of thousands aren't quite the same.

lazs2 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 11, 2007, 09:59:14 AM »

seems the blogger exaggerated a tad. I am trying to figure out what the alabama site thinks about "anti government groups".. they mention some of the traits but don't really say if these are good or bad things.

They only say that a very small percentage of people who are in "anti government groups" are violent.

for instance.. they say that "anti government groups" believe that gun control is enslavement and/or that the constitution has been subverted.

I would say that 90% of people in the U.S. believe one or both of those things to be true to some extent. Does that make 90% of us members of "anti government groups"?

Still.. the site does have a real nasty big brother feel to it. I sure wouldn't want those people in charge of anything.

lazs

Maverick · « **Reply #19 on:** May 11, 2007, 11:15:50 AM »

I went to the blog, read the story then tried to coroborate it through the Alabama Dept. of Homeland Security website the blogger says is the source. I couldn't find anything to give direct confirmation of the allegations. I wasn't terribly surprised at that situation nor from all of the foaming at the mouth posts here as if the story WAS true. Doesn't anyone beside Laz and I go look for the source of this stuff to see if it's real?

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 11, 2007, 11:21:12 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Dumping tea into the harbor and flying planes into buildings killing thousands while hoping to kill tens of thousands aren't quite the same.

If you think that dumping tea into a harbor was the worst we did, you really need to step into a history class.

Phaser11 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 11, 2007, 11:26:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
I went to the blog, read the story then tried to coroborate it through the Alabama Dept. of Homeland Security website the blogger says is the source. I couldn't find anything to give direct confirmation of the allegations. I wasn't terribly surprised at that situation nor from all of the foaming at the mouth posts here as if the story WAS true. Doesn't anyone beside Laz and I go look for the source of this stuff to see if it's real?

Mav,
I went to the site also and could find nothing. Now that being said, I'll be doing more research to be sure I did not miss anything. But if Pandoras box is opened, I would to leave it opened if there is something in there.

Pending.

Chairboy · « **Reply #22 on:** May 11, 2007, 11:34:33 AM »

The State of Alabama was describing libertarians by action/belief under the heading of Domestic Terrorists. They have since removed the section, but if you look at the comments left on the blogger page I linked to, folks have found archives stored elsewhere.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #23 on:** May 11, 2007, 01:57:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
I went to the blog, read the story then tried to coroborate it through the Alabama Dept. of Homeland Security website the blogger says is the source. I couldn't find anything to give direct confirmation of the allegations. I wasn't terribly surprised at that situation nor from all of the foaming at the mouth posts here as if the story WAS true. Doesn't anyone beside Laz and I go look for the source of this stuff to see if it's real?

It was here:
http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/anti-gov_grps.htm
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Mr No Name · « **Reply #24 on:** May 11, 2007, 02:25:32 PM »

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Originally posted by L'EMMERDEUR
Lincoln really screwed up not letting the confederate states secede.

He sure did, we would have never had our government polluted with the ideas brought here by carpetbaggers demonstrated in the paragraph above.

Chairboy · « **Reply #25 on:** May 11, 2007, 03:44:03 PM »

Here's an old copy of the page via the Internet Archive:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060421160851/http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/anti-gov_grps.htm

For Lazs:

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Today's anti-government groups have their origins in the shock and outrage among a number of groups to include gun rights groups, tax protestors, and white supremacists over the government actions with the Branch Davidian religious cult at Waco and and white supremacist Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge along with recent laws that limited gun ownership.

So no, not made up by the weblog guy.

Maverick · « **Reply #26 on:** May 11, 2007, 04:05:31 PM »

I'm sorry but I don't see the issue the blogger was bringing up. If that is all there was about it IMO they blew a cork over nothing. Just because gun rights are a real issue for some rather extreme folks doies not make it an issue to remove them by Home land Security. I certainly didn't see anything regarding the Libertarians.

I am talking about the entire website you linked not just the blurb you posted.

Leslie · « **Reply #27 on:** May 11, 2007, 04:19:07 PM »

OK I figured it out Chairboy. The website is talking about the Patriot Movement. It mentions them by name. So it's not libertarians. You can relax now.

Les

AKIron · « **Reply #28 on:** May 11, 2007, 05:30:22 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If you think that dumping tea into a harbor was the worst we did, you really need to step into a history class.

Certainly there was much fighting and perhaps atrocities committed by both sides but brutality resulting from warfare isn't necessarily terrorism while throwing the tea into the harbor perhaps was.

Slash27 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 11, 2007, 06:21:52 PM »

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Originally posted by L'EMMERDEUR
Lincoln really screwed up not letting the confederate states secede.

The biggest mistake your father made was not wearing a condom.