Alabama: Libertarians are terrorists

[lazs2]

I think that the little weasels that wrote for that site would get their tits in a wringer over it if enough people wrote in and said that they felt that the site was blatantly anti second amendment.

I think that suggesting, as leslie says, to put a disclaimer that most people who do not favor gun control are decent and law abiding citizens and that the government itself admitted that they handled both the branch davidians and randy weaver badly and that any normal person would recognize that.

I think that the good people of Ala. ought to be very offended by the badly done site.

lazs

[Maverick]

The civil war ended many years ago. Get OVER it for crying out loud.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Mr No Name
laser, it was never about slavery.  That was a lincoln afterthought.

It was all about slavery.  Every single thing you think was the cause of the civil war had slavery as the root cause.

[BBBB]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
It was all about slavery.  Every single thing you think was the cause of the civil war had slavery as the root cause.

LOL

[CFYA]

*Sigh*   Slavery peaked and was on the decline BEFORE the CIVIL WAR. If slavery had been allowed to run its course it would have declined into oblivion in the 10-15 years following. Imigrants were far cheaper, more replaceable, and easier to come by than any slave. I will be flogged for this and understandably so. Common teaching has led to us to believe the Civil War was mainly a slavery issue but then they used to teach us the world was flat as well........Look at the ALL the facts, not just the people that were enslaved. Look at the fact that the imigrants from Europe were flooding into America and would eventually replace the enslaved work force.

CFYA
Ryan

[Rino]

Originally posted by BBBB
Yes the south should have been able to leave the union. Leave huge tax tariffs behind. Open up free trade with Europe. As the song goes "if the south would have won we would have had it made" This is pretty much true. L'EMMERDEUR  I am almost sure that you believe that the civil war was about slavery too. That the Union came down here to save a people from oppression, right? I mean it had nothing to do with the fact that the north saw their meal ticket slipping away.. Slash27's comment X2. Your father should have worn a condom.
And chair, sad really to come in here and stir the pot like this. More so with crap from some knuckle heads blog.

-Sp0t

     Well I guess the world could use yet another poor 3rd world agarian
economy to pour money into.  Of course you could be stupid enough to
believe it's cheaper to ship things by sail or steamship from Europe than
by rail from the same continent.

      Speaking of missing meal tickets, just think of all those lovely federal
military training bases that would no longer be pouring money into the
local economy.

      I think 142 years is long enough to get that chip off your shoulder.

[john9001]

slaves were not free, you had to buy them, cloth them, feed them, house them, teach them skills, provide some medical care (a sick slave does not produce), care for the young and those too old to work.

hmmm, except for "buying", that sounds like socialism.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by CFYA
*Sigh*   Slavery peaked and was on the decline BEFORE the CIVIL WAR. If slavery had been allowed to run its course it would have declined into oblivion in the 10-15 years following. Imigrants were far cheaper, more replaceable, and easier to come by than any slave. I will be flogged for this and understandably so. Common teaching has led to us to believe the Civil War was mainly a slavery issue but then they used to teach us the world was flat as well........Look at the ALL the facts, not just the people that were enslaved. Look at the fact that the imigrants from Europe were flooding into America and would eventually replace the enslaved work force.

CFYA
Ryan

The peak of slavery as well as cheaper sources of labor is irrelevant.  

Grade school history told us that it was about slavery.  High School history told us that it was about economics and other factors.  College Level history told us that those economic and other factors were rooted in slavery.


Every single thing, every single strife, every single problem in the US for the 60 years prior to the civil war was caused by slavery.  Thus, the base cause of the civil war is slavery.

[Toad]

Some now teach that slavery was the sole cause of the Civil War – an explanation that historians have developed in the twentieth century. However, this analysis does not explain why the war started in 1861 (rather than 1851 or 1841) and it fails to explain why slavery was abolished elsewhere without such horrendous carnage.

We emphasize economics and politics as major factors leading to war. The Republicans who came to power in 1860 supported a mercantilist economic agenda of protectionism, inflation, public works, and big government. High tariffs would have been a boon to manufacturing and mining in the north, but would have been paid largely by those in the export-oriented agriculture economy.

Southern economic interests understood the effects of these policies and decided to leave the union. The war was clearly related to slavery, but mainly in the sense that Republican tariffs would have squeezed the profitability out of the slave-based cotton plantation economy to the benefit of Northern industry (especially Yankee textiles and iron manufacturing). Southerners would also have lost out in terms of public works projects, government land giveaways, and inflation.

The real truth about wars is that they are not started over principle, but over power. Wars however, are not won by power on the battlefield, but by the workings and incentives of men who go to work in fields and factories, to those who transport, store and sell consumer goods, and most especially to the entrepreneurs and middlemen who make markets work and adapt to change. This emphasis and this economic account of tariffs, blockade and inflation, like the focus of Degas’s "Cotton Exchange" reveals the most important and least understood aspect of war.

[FrodeMk3]

Hmmm....Toad, that kinda poses a question like, "What came first, the chicken or the egg?"

If Slavery was a root factor in the mid-19 century economy to that extent, then I could see it being a major factor. However, With the industrial age just getting into full swing, I could see where a major economic change would have rendered it redundant anyway. That would make slavery a side-line issue to economics, in that instance.

[Toad]

I think, like he said, it boils down to power and it actually is still a problem to this day. I think the basic issue is states rights. Where did the authority of the Federal government end and where did the sovereignity of the individual state begin. I think you can make the case that many of the states that intially ratified started thinking the rules had changed from what the Constitution originally meant.

[Chairboy]

It's frustrating that the reprehensible practice of slave ownership is linked inextricably with the discussion of state rights.  That's the 800lb gorilla lurking in the room whenever the subject comes up, the unspoken implication being "So , you support slavery?" in response to "The CSA had some legitimate concerns".

[L'EMMERDEUR]

Slavery or not, think how much better off our nation would be if we had just let those states go?

[Chairboy]

Update with more details:

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2007/05/congratulations-you-may-already-be.html

It discusses the original weblog, plus provides more excerpts from the original documentation and a discussion about Alabama removing the content after it got attention.

[lazs2]

who is "we" lemer?

I think all of us would have been better off with the south being able to leave the union.. it might have joined back up later or maybe not.

In any case... we would all be better off with less federal government and stronger states rights.   You could pick and choose the kind of state you wanted to live in.

Now... all you got is red or blue and not much difference in that.  Filthy craphole cities or suburbia with a big federal government more and more into your life.

lazs