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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2007, 02:59:01 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2007, 05:54:58 AM »
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The State of Alabama was describing libertarians by action/belief under the heading of Domestic Terrorists.  They have since removed the section, but if you look at the comments left on the blogger page I linked to, folks have found archives stored elsewhere.
Yup...  The implication is there on the Alabama DHS site.  While they don't out and out say what the bloggers sez, it's not a far stretch of to interpret it that way.  Alabama DHS   Then again, from their description, one can interpret it to include Gangs, Drug dealers, and the local Bully as well.
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« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2007, 07:09:36 AM »
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so according to that POS state, one's beliefs make one a terrorist, not one's actions.  reminds me of the "hate crime" issue, criminalizing thought vs. criminalizing behaviour...


The majority of people within our good state are gun owners and do not like the thought of anyone trying to take our rights to keep and bear arms away. Just because some politician decided that they wanted to take a politically correct stance doesn't make the state a POS! Should you decided to talk about it then I suggest that you get your facts straight.

ALSO I did not read anything in that linked portion which specifically states those points making the person in question a terrorist. I think this blog boy really screwed the pooch on his statements.
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« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2007, 07:14:39 AM »
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The majority of people within our good state are gun owners and do not like the thought of anyone trying to take our rights to keep and bear arms away. Just because some politician decided that they wanted to take a politically correct stance doesn't make the state a POS! Should you decided to talk about it then I suggest that you get your facts straight.

sorry, how's "so according to the POS legislators of that state..." work for ya?

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« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2007, 07:16:55 AM »
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sorry, how's "so according to the POS legislators of that state..." work for ya?


I will accept that because the old boys and other undesirables just voted themselves a huge pay raise without actually doing any work during their legislative session.
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« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2007, 08:23:25 AM »
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ALSO I did not read anything in that linked portion which specifically states those points making the person in question a terrorist. I think this blog boy really screwed the pooch on his statements.
You may have missed that the entire discussion was under the heading of 'Domestic Terrorists' on their site.
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« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2007, 08:39:26 AM »
chair... I read the site and the parts quoted and... as I have said... they have a really nasty big brother feel to em...  but... they are not what the blogger states.

I am curious as to why you linked the blogger and not the actual site?

If I lived in alabama I would write and tell them that as a gun owner and someone who was upset about both Randy Weavers treatment and that of the branch davidians that I did not appreciate being lumped in with terrorists.

My guess is that they would retract the whole thing since it is probly just one little hack spewing his bs.  


As for the south and secession... I agree that it was a mistake to not let them have their right to leave.   Lincoln had no right to keep them in by force.

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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2007, 10:57:28 AM »
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Yup...  The implication is there on the Alabama DHS site.  While they don't out and out say what the bloggers sez, it's not a far stretch of to interpret it that way.  Alabama DHS   Then again, from their description, one can interpret it to include Gangs, Drug dealers, and the local Bully as well.



I didn't see any implications at all.  They were referring to this specifically by name:

Patriot Movement


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« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2007, 11:37:45 AM »
Yes the south should have been able to leave the union. Leave huge tax tariffs behind. Open up free trade with Europe. As the song goes "if the south would have won we would have had it made" This is pretty much true. L'EMMERDEUR  I am almost sure that you believe that the civil war was about slavery too. That the Union came down here to save a people from oppression, right? I mean it had nothing to do with the fact that the north saw their meal ticket slipping away.. Slash27's comment X2. Your father should have worn a condom.
And chair, sad really to come in here and stir the pot like this. More so with crap from some knuckle heads blog.

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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2007, 12:29:06 PM »
The vote for Alabama to secede was so close they almost didn't do it.  Alabama was pretty much forced to after South Carolina, Mississippi and Florida.  Then the other states followed like dominoes.  Secession was not a matter taken lightly by Alabama.  In other words, they didn't want to.

I too am curious why Chairboy didn't start off the unrighteous indignation with a link to the actual website.  I suppose it's not much fun without a bogey man to gape at and, after all, who can pass up an opportunity to take a poke at Alabama?  Even if it's not deserved.  Chairboy's implication is Alabama is against American values, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  I do not believe that to be so.

I'm gonna take a devil's advocate stance here.  Lazs, I doubt a letter to the DHS would get much results, but you never know.  They did take down the "offending" portion probably because they discovered many people out there don't read and understand what they read.  They see the words "Gun Control" and become fixated on that.  A careful reading of that portion does refer to a specific movement of loose groups known to have been involved in terroristic activities.  But it is confusing and why the question marks in front and back of certain phrases?  

There's no way to win.  I wish they had left it up if for no other reason but to stand their ground (taking it down smacks of caving in), but it's easier to just take it down than to deal with a lot of trouble.   Of course, the smart thing to have done would have been to endorse the Second Amendment before mentioning anything to do with gun control or the Waco and Weaver events.  The website maker needed to do some thinking of his own.  They blew it royally.  I understand the confusion but I live here and wouldn't think for a second anything in that website lumped me in with terrorists.  For me, writing a letter complaining would be more in the category of taking to task more than serious concern, especially when I read the website and know what they're referring to.




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« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2007, 02:00:41 PM »
I eat babies too, Leslie.  Geez.
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« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2007, 03:03:16 PM »
Nahhh Chair, you ain't that bad.  Hell I like you even if I disagree with you on some things.  Sorry to be so rough.  Just had to rant, that's all.  



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« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2007, 05:26:26 PM »
Origanally posted by lasersailor184

I don't believe you really can argue about points of view. You have the terrorists actions, and the results of those actions.

Those two things are very objective.
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You're right there-Under common definition, they were both terrorist acts.

But, I doubt the Founding Fathers' looked around at each other and said, "Our best recourse, at this point in time, it to resort to terrorism to meet our ends."

It was more like, "Let's show King George what we think of his taxes! Dress up as indians, so that we can't be identified, And so that there won't be reprisals against us. Let's strike a blow against the tyrant...."

That's what I meant by point of view. The British did'nt consider the Boston Massacre of 1770 a terrorist act, even though there were deaths, They considered it riot control. Yes, The Officer and his men responsible, were arrested and charged with murder, but they were aquitted. To me, this would mean that the British gov. did'nt think much of this.

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Dumping tea into the harbor and flying planes into buildings killing thousands while hoping to kill tens of thousands aren't quite the same.
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There again, you're correct. But Terrorism can't be defined by the number of deaths, or the $ damage done. There's been terrorist actions' for Millenia. 9/11 was the worst on U.S. Soil to date. However, any malicious act that is carried out in the name of a cause, would fit the definition of terrorism.

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« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2007, 09:04:37 PM »
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Yes the south should have been able to leave the union. Leave huge tax tariffs behind. Open up free trade with Europe. As the song goes "if the south would have won we would have had it made" This is pretty much true. L'EMMERDEUR  I am almost sure that you believe that the civil war was about slavery too. That the Union came down here to save a people from oppression, right? I mean it had nothing to do with the fact that the north saw their meal ticket slipping away.. Slash27's comment X2. Your father should have worn a condom.
And chair, sad really to come in here and stir the pot like this. More so with crap from some knuckle heads blog.

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« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2007, 03:10:14 AM »
laser, it was never about slavery.  That was a lincoln afterthought.
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