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Offline Xasthur

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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2007, 02:09:33 PM »
I have used it to great effect in-game.

You are correct though, if done at the wrong moment or in the wrong situtaion, you might as well just bail out and save yourself a death.

The closure rates are important. If they are just creeping up on your 6, it will result in a swift death. If the closure rate is decent, but not too high you will find yourself with a kill-shot or at least an escape.

In the case of a P-38, they won't roll with you, especially not at slow speed and if even if they do get a shot off, a P-38 snap-shot rarely results in death. (at least in my experience, that is)

As a side note, the engine-deterioration effects after the 109 gets ganged are very, very cool. Wishlist material for sure.
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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2007, 04:09:32 PM »
someone in this thread talks like they're widewing, yet flies like vanscrew!  Can u guess who I'm talking about?
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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2007, 04:14:03 PM »
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...adept at a certain manuever which involves chopping throttle, rolling left, using hard left rudder and full 'negative' elevator input (i.e push forward)...
I will go ahead and try that :)
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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2007, 04:53:50 PM »
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I thought the P-38 was just another E fighter with poor turn rate and maneuverability. But when it is on my 6, it is as if a mig 21 was chasing me.
Anyone can help me with this? :(


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« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2007, 05:53:15 PM »
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someone in this thread talks like they're widewing, yet flies like vanscrew!  Can u guess who I'm talking about?



Is he good at math too?


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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2007, 05:55:44 PM »
IMO, the 2 Bf109 models that provide the best matchup for the P-38 are the F and K models.  The F model turns better than the P-38, even at low speeds and the best way for a 38 driver to counter it is to keep the turn fight to the right at low speeds.  The K model though provides the best over all matchup and if the K driver is a good stick then the P-38 driver will have his hands full with a good fight.

The other bf109 models are just fodder for the Lightning.


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« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2007, 06:01:59 PM »
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But how come I dont have the same problem with other a/c? It seems that this often happens to me in the merge; I usually do an immelman, the 38 does one too and shoots me down right when Im upside down on the top, closing in fast on me. I see the 38 has an incredible zoom rate.


Esx_Raptor,
ask N7 of your squad or VWE or KONG even,  to show you some other types of opening moves ( initial merges ) besides the straight up Dueling Arena Basic Merge. sounds by your description like you are showing repitition of the same merge , and everybody loves a 1 trick pony show, it is easily defeatable.  Learn to mix it up, and as Platano mentioned, practice your SA ( situational Awareness ) on learning to judge the Energy your opponent is entering the fight with........you do not always have to Burn every bit of your "Energy" on the 1st Reversal.....

also when merging make your opponent react to your moves, not the opposite, if you maneuver in reaction to his moves you are losing the fight from the beginning......

hope this helps......
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« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2007, 06:06:37 PM »
when im desperate  to shake a con if im in the 38 i typically will make sure hes close enough and pull up hard force him to stall and blow his arse up most knowledgible players know not to climb with the 38 at low speeds

(btw this is all relative to what a/c im fighting i wouldnt pull this with a f4u4)
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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2007, 06:20:46 PM »
38, like the P51D and the P47 it all depends on those is at the controls.

Most are pretty clueless as to how to properly fly any of them.
But there are a few for each plane whom in their hands are very dangerous.

Very few "OK" pilots in any of them. They tend to be either very good or very poor.

Still even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again
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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2007, 06:21:31 PM »
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Is he good at math too?


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« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2007, 06:32:48 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2007, 07:23:28 PM »
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Is he good at math too?


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Hmmmmmm???


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« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2007, 07:58:15 PM »
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Esx_Raptor,
ask N7 of your squad or VWE or KONG even,  to show you some other types of opening moves ( initial merges ) besides the straight up Dueling Arena Basic Merge. sounds by your description like you are showing repitition of the same merge , and everybody loves a 1 trick pony show, it is easily defeatable.  Learn to mix it up, and as Platano mentioned, practice your SA ( situational Awareness ) on learning to judge the Energy your opponent is entering the fight with........you do not always have to Burn every bit of your "Energy" on the 1st Reversal.....

also when merging make your opponent react to your moves, not the opposite, if you maneuver in reaction to his moves you are losing the fight from the beginning......

hope this helps......
You are 100% right TC. About the "making your opponent react to YOU" part, yes, I had seen it before somewhere in a trainer's writeup (not sure who) With mix it up, what do you exactly mean? I always do immelmans ever since Ghosth told me it takes less energy to do that compared to a flat turn (which I have been told by other 109 pilots they should be avoided)

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« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2007, 08:01:15 PM »
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I thought the P-38 was just another E fighter with poor turn rate and maneuverability.  


man have you been thinking wrong here.

one thing to know about the 38, what it can't out run it'll out turn... what it can't out turn, it'll "extend" to regain advantage. Either in speed or alt or both.

38 is a mean ride.
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« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2007, 08:06:00 PM »
"38 is a mean ride"

Well said. I usually give 38s a wary eye over La7s or P51s in the middle of a fight, simply because they have the most potential (if the pilot is good) to kill me. 38s and Ki84s share that, IMO.
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