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Offline Toad

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« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2007, 05:05:19 PM »
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this is just one of many that ive found.

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How many have you looked for that debunk that one?

I'm guessing zero.




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« Reply #91 on: May 17, 2007, 05:19:48 PM »
Oh, and here's a credible source where you can begin your deprogramming.

Debunking the 9/11 Myths

You might particularly want to visit THIS  page as it deals with the demolition myths.

None of the conspiracy theorists can ever come up with anything that sounds remotely plausible when confronted with the simple truth that companies that explosively demolish buildings take literally MONTHS to set up the charges, use thousands of feet of visible det cord and thousands of pounds of explosives. Instead, they happily believe you can wire Building 7 during a 36 hour power down.

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The button to bring down the 30-story office tower at Seventh and Houston streets, one of the tallest buildings ever to be imploded, will be pushed at 8 a.m., said John Angelina president of D.H. Griffin of Texas, a Houston company that has served on the demolition team, which also includes Midwest Wrecking in Fort Worth.

Crews have been working feverishly this week on the final preparations on work that began in November.

"We'll work as hard today as we have in the last four months," Brian Choate, Midwest Wrecking's chief executive, said Thursday.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/14122036.htm


But don't let reality intrude on a good conspiracy paranoia!

Peace be unto you; sounds like it's hard for you to find.
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« Reply #92 on: May 17, 2007, 05:44:53 PM »
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I understand where your coming from in saying not to trust the gov't 100% with what they tell the public.

BUT --   I was in manhattan that day, and watched the 2nd plane crash from a classroom window.   I was walking down the street and watched the 1st tower collapse.  I saw grown men and women fall to the floor hysterically crying because people they knew where in those buildings.

Not to trust the gov't is ok, but to think that they set up 9/11 is idiotic.  

And as far as gulliani, i don't think he's using what happened that day to gain support.  He was in the middle of it all, and I truly believe he did a great job keeping everything under control.  Alot of people saw it on tv, and were impacted tremendously, the people who were in the city that day lived through it.  He's not my first choice for president  either.
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« Reply #93 on: May 17, 2007, 08:45:34 PM »
i went to that site about "debunking the 9/11 conspiricy" pretty lame, its cool though, belive what you feel is right
 

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« Reply #94 on: May 17, 2007, 09:00:17 PM »
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i went to that site about "debunking the 9/11 conspiricy" pretty lame, its cool though, belive what you feel is right
 


I'll go one step further and believe the truth .. thanks anyway
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« Reply #95 on: May 17, 2007, 09:41:19 PM »
Osama Biladen has yet to be indited for 9/11 because the FBI lacks credible evidence he was responsible. So who did it again?

http://www.projectcensored.org/updatedrealnews/index.htm

Rex Tomb, chief of investigative publicity for the FBI explains, “The reason 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11… He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.”

 ‘No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11” Paul V. Sheridan and Ed Haas, The Ithica Journal, 6/29/2006
http://www.theithacajournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/OPINION02/606290310/1014

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« Reply #96 on: May 18, 2007, 01:37:30 AM »
BYU physicist concludes official 9-11 explanation is implausible
Researched by Courtney Wilcox

Research on the events of 9-11 by Brigham Young University physics professor, Steven E. Jones, concludes that the official explanation for the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings is implausible according to laws of physics. Jones is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation “guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations.”

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

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« Reply #97 on: May 18, 2007, 01:48:16 AM »
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INK-

I understand where your coming from in saying not to trust the gov't 100% with what they tell the public.

BUT --   I was in manhattan that day, and watched the 2nd plane crash from a classroom window.   I was walking down the street and watched the 1st tower collapse.  I saw grown men and women fall to the floor hysterically crying because people they knew where in those buildings...





 so you watched the towers fall,  into there own footprint, in other words strait down, building 7 fell in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint.
  so what anyways, whats the difference? there is nothing i, you or anyone can do about it.
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« Reply #98 on: May 18, 2007, 02:20:40 AM »
Ink...You missed where he said he saw the second plane hit.

Whereas I loathe the current administration, and I do believe it's as crooked as a Grand-canyon gulley, I don't believe that those buildings were brought down by explosives.

First of all, why would anyone rig the bombs at the top portion? If you're a terrorist, and want a max. body count, you blow at the bottom, to trap as many inside as you can. You have the max weight of the building working for you, rather than a smaller portion. You also hit both at the same time, rather than waiting for a while, Like the period of time between the first and second attacks. Another thing, too. You would have to Go up 2/3 of the building, smuggling thousands of pounds of explosives and equipment, wire and rig it all without being detected by any of the 1000+ people on the floor, and then fuse it and arm it, and then get out of the building and detonate it without being discovered. Even with a power down, or any kind of drastic maintenance work that would result in the building's total evacuation and clearance, There would not be enough time.

The only con. theory I've ever heard about 9/11 that even remotely held water was that the CIA or some other party helped Otta and his gang get through the terrorist watch lists' so that they could train for the attack, and helped them with untraced funds, and ducking the FBI.

As to never having any real connection to Bin Laden...I'll admit that even Osama seemed suprised when he was first contacted about it(I believe he denied it for a while.) I've wondered if maybe it was done by a group rival to Al-Queda, That we've never heard of, that pulled it off to get the U.S. started after bin Laden. There are LOTS of smaller terrorist groups and splinter-cell type of organization's out there.

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« Reply #99 on: May 18, 2007, 03:36:27 AM »
Ink, why don't you take this argument to another thread?
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« Reply #100 on: May 18, 2007, 04:49:10 AM »
what cheekboness ... no wonder the dumbarsecrats got elected last nov ... I have heard as many as a third of them believe as ink does that thier bubbling Bush did have something to do with masterminding the 9/11 attacks.

wow - this country is turning into a bunch of michael moorons .. I pray for its future which will have me voting in 08 for whatever Republican candidate gets that party's nomination regardless of his stand of abortion. This country just can't afford to have a yellow bellied crackpot lefty running it in this day and age.
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« Reply #101 on: May 18, 2007, 05:22:11 AM »
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Yes, because THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS! ...Assigning human motivations to folks we're trying to kill sure is uncomfortable, it's best to stick to the boilerplates.
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« Reply #102 on: May 18, 2007, 08:30:54 AM »
chair... if you read some of the things that the islamo fascists read to become what they are you would see that they indeed do hate us for our...   for lack of a better word.... "freedoms".

We are decadent and our women are potatos who should be stoned... we are corrupting their people...  we don't need to attack them or be marching in their streets to be hated by them.. we are on the air waves with our potato women and adds for booze.

Our lifestyle... our very "freedom" is a threat to what they want to accomplish.. the enslavement of their people.   A return to the 9th century.

it is naive in the extreme to think that if we left them alone (how would we do that?)  then they would simply ignore us?  that they would still be able to accomplish what they want?   of course not...  we are an example they can not allow their young to see.

We can't leave em alone... this isn't the ninth century... their people are amoung us... living in western cities.. they have TV's and radios...

It is maybe not simply naive to think that they don't hate us for what we are but maybe more akin to denial..  it is the new platitude that the left uses to allow then to surrender.

Your-0-peeans are getting along so well with the islamo facists and muslims in general that perhaps we should adopt their policies?  

Like ron paul... they had a policy of hands off and "trade".. they had trade with the worst of the regiems and have large muslim populations...

Look how well it is working out for them.  their muslims are no problem.   terrorists leave them alone right?

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« Reply #103 on: May 18, 2007, 08:41:46 AM »
Lazs, that was a reply to me, but I'm not sure what message you're replying to.  As far as I know, I haven't been advocating appeasement or dropping out middle east involvement, I'm criticizing the over simplistic explanations for why we're in conflict.
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« Reply #104 on: May 18, 2007, 08:48:20 AM »
and I am saying that to say that they don't hate us for out "freedoms" is the real simplistic thing to say.

They absolutely do hate us for what we are.   Part of what we are is of course... being free and wanting others to have that.  

The new lefty whine is that they would leave us alone if we left them alone.  I say that is BS.   It is not possible for us to "leave them alone"  we will always be an example they can not have shown to the people they wish to enslave.

Just as soviet russia tried to keep our culture away from their people and failed.. so would they... no amount of walls or censorship works in todays electronic age and they know it.   We can't be ignored... we need to be demonized.

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