Stoning/Honor Killing

[straffo]

Originally posted by Xargos
Many Christians do NOT consider Catholics to be Christians.  I really don't want to get into this debate on this forum and I regret posting how I really feel.  I prefer not to pursue this here.

The inquisition started way before the reform

[Xargos]

Originally posted by straffo
The inquisition started way before the reform

What does the reform have to do with it?  Christianity existed before the Church.

[storch]

is there any topic that we will not argue about?

[Xargos]

Originally posted by storch
is there any topic that we will not argue about?

NO!  

BTW, it's a debate until someone starts talking about your mama and other BS like that.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Xargos
Many Christians do NOT consider Catholics to be Christians.  I really don't want to get into this debate on this forum and I regret posting how I really feel.  I prefer not to pursue this here.

do a Google search on "Cristian Religeon"
You will find your "many" are in the minority

A "Christian" religeon would be any religeon who accepts Christ as the savoir and practices his teachings.
Or a better discription would be any which centers its core beleifs around Christ
The Catholic religeon passes on all counts

AND it was there first
http://www.truecatholic.org/grreligions.htm

Pesonally I dont give a hoot about Catholosism or ay of the organised religeons.
But by catagory I see them for what they are

Seems each has its wn discription of what a "Christain" is

What is a Christian

Each claiming theirs is the "one true" version
Sounds an awful lot like the Muslim sects claims from one to another
Funny thing is The muslims areant that far behind Christian religeons as to the animosity one sect has toward another.
Wasnt to long ago your family would disown you and probably your church too if you married outside of your particular sect.
the only real difference is you havent resorted to killing each other off.

Then again I probably wouldnt have to search that hard to find that to be a false statement.

News flash.

Your ALL Christians.
None of you have a leg up on any other.
To claim as such would not be by the word of God.
But nothing more then human arrogance.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by storch
is there any topic that we will not argue about?

You kidding me?
Thats half the fun of being here.

Hell sometimes I argue just for the sake of arguing LOL

I discribe this place as something akin to the old town pubs where the elders would get together , have some beer or brandy or whatever and debate the topics of the day.

[Xargos]

Dred, I'm not going to argue with you.  I just don't approve of anyone forcing you to believe a certain way, like in Global Warming, which has Church written all over it too.

P.S.  I probably need to make myself more clear.  Some Members of the Catholic Church maybe Christian, but the Church itself is not.  Does that come across better?

P.P.S.  Let's not forget this thread is about the Murder of a young girl, not me going off on a tangent.  Sorry.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Xargos
Dred, I'm not going to argue with you.  I just don't approve of anyone forcing you to believe a certain way, like in Global Warming, which has Church written all over it too.

P.S.  I probably need to make myself more clear.  Some Members of the Catholic Church maybe Christian, but the Church itself is not.  Does that come across better?

P.P.S.  Let's not forget this thread is about the Murder of a young girl, not me going off on a tangent.  Sorry.

Does this mean the arguements over?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Xargos
The duty of the Muslims is to Convert or Kill, while the duty of the Christian is to let every human on the face of the earth to have at least heard the word of God.  God gave us free will and anyone who forces you to follow a certain ideology is not following Gods will.  God needs us to love him, that's why he created us, and you can't force someone to love you.

I agree with your sentiment except for the part about God needing us to love him. God would not be diminished in any measureable way should he not receive the love of a single human being. However, that he loves us with a love so great we can hardly comprehend it and desires for us to be free from sin and perfected in Christ was clearly evident when he allowed his son to take our place on the cross.

"The Son of God suffered unto death, not that men might not suffer, but that their sufferings might be like His." - GEORGE MACDONALD

[Gunthr]

is there any topic that we will not argue about?- Storch

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what? - are you saying that everybody here is contentious? wtf is that?  

you just slam the general population of the bb instead of making a positive contribution?  that sounds like something my 98 year old german-polish grandma Busha would say.  she's senile.  

and where's the linky, anyway?  

[Xargos]

Choosing to obey of your own free will is an act of love.  I believe he needs us just as much as we need him, we are His children.  Many humans feel empty until they have children and we where made in His image.

I do not want to Hijack this thread nor disrespect the girl, who was murdered.  If you or Dred wish to pursue this, please start a new thread.

[Maverick]

It is rather strange that we hear folks saying Christianity is love and yet members of a sect of it express such hate and judgement about other sects. Exactly how is this an example of love for your brother?

FWIW there were more "inquisitions" than the one that is most often mentioned. In the Christian world one of the most recent one was in the new world. Think Salem for an example, oh and BTW those were not Catholics involved in those witch trials and executions. There is more than enough shame full acts and STUPIDITY in the Christian faith as practiced by so called Christians to go around.

It's rather hypocritical to deride one group of people for hate, then spew hatred towards another group while claiming you have faith in a religion of love.

It brings to mind a couple phrases that I recall having learned. Judge not lest ye be judged. Another one dealt with taking care of the log in your own eye before dealing with the splinter in another's eye.

[Seagoon]

I'm wondering if I can just take a pass on getting involved in this thread. There doesn't appear to be anything I could profitably answer, as it seems to be progressing along the following AH BB Standard Operating Procedure lines:

* Contemporary Muslims do something consistent with Sharia that is done all the time, but this time got some mainstream media attention.
* The AH2 BB community is temporarily outraged, some blame Islam
* Others respond this is only a "few fanatics"
* Others respond that the problem is religion
* Others predicatably respond that fundamentalist Christians are just as bad
* Others begin referring to the crusades and the inquisition and the abortion clinic bombings as if they were an ongoing problem (rather than actual on going problems like abortion clinics covering up rape - but I digress)
* Suddenly everyone becomes an expert on Christianity

Can we stop for a moment and ask, what does a young girl being stoned in accordance with Islamic Sharia law have to do with Christianity? I mean I could understand it if someone were trying to contrast Sharia with say John 8:1-11, but as it stands its rather like me responding to a news report that the Chinese Communists tried and executed a political dissident with a diatribe against the moral equivalence of the American Libertarian party or references to the massacre at Wounded Knee or better yet going on a rant about how this is all the fault of party politics and how it is the worst creation man ever came up with.

The fact is that all we will do is complain and shift the blame, but we aren't actually going to do anything to put an end to the practice of honor killing now are we? Because that would involve taking a stand against Sharia law, and while the Western world can pass laws making preaching Romans 1:18-32 a hate crime, presumably because that is safe and makes us feel good about ourselves, we aren't going to do anything that might upset the awful people we are scared to death of. Maybe if we remember not to draw cartoons, or call them violent, and say uniformly nice things they won't riot and kill us. This "honor killing stuff" is all probably because of something we did anyway. So let's kick the dog because we're angry at the bully.

As I said at the beginning, nothing profitable comes to mind... and I've gone and ranted .

- SEAGOON

[FrodeMk3]

Wow-I hate having to follow after Seagoon, because that really should have been the last post of the thread. But, I had something on-topic:

The saddest thing of this whole affair, and I've been reading on this thread since the 5th post, is that when I started looking for this in the main news, It had already been eclipsed by a bunch of election updates, and some piece of crap about Anna Nicole Smith.

I guess it only made the news because with the cell phone video, It qualified as reality TV. Horse****.

It's not because I'm a looky-loo that missed out, do I post a rant...It's that something that should have such impact, should be so quickly consigned to archive tape. I swear, the only thing worse than the principles of Sharia law, would be the principles of today's news media.

[Pei]

You lot are aware that the incident in question was not conducted by Muslims but by members of a pre-muslim religion: the Yezidis?
The excuse given was that the girl had had the temerity to fall in love with a muslim man and was accused of converting to Islam: see http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=ENGMDE140292007