John McCain Grows A Pair

[lasersailor184]

RINO; Republican In Name Only.


As opposed to Rhino, short for Rhinoceros.

[CHECKERS]

Originally posted by rpm
Checkers, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but what does the bill have to do with my post? I was addressing the misinformation in your quotes.

 
RPM,
 Everything I posted also contains the sources .... everything....
 Your claim of misinformation's so-far has been backed with zero foundation...

  McCain flips on everything he says .....
     Support for McCain on issue you give him credit for,  is easyer than thinking ......

 

 ps
 I'm sure  you still don't get it ....

[bj229r]

This guy has done a large study on the long-term effects of this:


link

Illegal immigration is now a major cause of child poverty. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, 4.7 million children of illegal immigrant parents currently live in the U.S. Some 37 percent of these children are poor. While children of illegal immigrant parents make up around 6 percent of all children in the U.S., they are 11.8 percent of all poor children.

 This high level of child poverty among illegal immigrants in the U.S. is in part due to low education levels and low wages. It is also linked to the decline in marriage among Hispanics in the U.S. Within this group, 45 percent of children are born out of wedlock. Among foreign-born Hispanics the rate is 42.3 percent. By contrast, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for non-Hispanic whites is 23.4 percent. The birth rate for Hispanic teens is higher than for black teens. While the out-of-wedlock birth rate for blacks has remained flat for the last decade, it has risen steadily for Hispanics. These figures are important because, as noted, some 80 percent of illegal aliens come from Mexico and Latin America.

 In general, children born and raised outside of marriage are seven times more likely to live in poverty than children born and raised by married couples. Children born out of wedlock are also more likely to be on welfare, to have lower educational achievement, to have emotional problems, to abuse drugs and alcohol, and to become involved in crime.

 The federal government currently operates a massive system of income redistribution: The upper-middle class is taxed, and money and services are transferred to the lower-income half of the population. In 2004, some $583 billion was transferred in this way. Current immigration in the U.S. disproportionately brings poorly educated individuals with a high probability of unwed births into the U.S. Over the last 20 years, around 10 million individuals without a high-school diploma have entered the United States. These individuals inevitably end up on the recipient end of the income-redistribution equation, providing an extra tax burden on the already hard-pressed middle-class taxpayers.

 There is a remarkably foolish idea now running through the Senate, that the key to solving the Social Security crisis is to import into the U.S. tens of millions of low-skill immigrants, earning perhaps $20,000 per year, along with their families. The folly of this should be apparent. For most of these individuals, receipt of the earned income tax credit alone will outweigh Social Security taxes paid. The overall costs such individuals will add to government programs throughout their lifetime (including welfare, social security, Medicare, education for children, transportation, and law enforcement) will greatly exceed taxes paid.

 Immigration to the U.S. is a privilege, not a right. Immigrants should be net contributors to the government and society and should not be a fiscal burden. To reduce the looming Social Security deficit and to strengthen the nation, the U.S. should encourage immigration of high-skill workers who will be fiscal contributors, not low-skill workers who will be fiscal takers. In this respect, the Hagel/Martinez bill is on the wrong course; it will make the finance books of government worse, not better.  
 

[Gunthr]

Senator McCain just committed political suicide, at least among conservatives.

[texasmom]

I don't think it's his balls that are in question here... probably his brain.

[folkwufe]

mccain is our ONLY hope. clinton is a mad-woman, obama has no experience (just a smooth talker), and guliani from what i hear supports gay marriage and abortion.

[Dago]

Originally posted by folkwufe
mccain is our ONLY hope. clinton is a mad-woman, obama has no experience (just a smooth talker), and guliani from what i hear supports gay marriage and abortion.

Fred Thompson is my hope for the next President.

[folkwufe]

ive never heard of him

[Sandman]

Originally posted by folkwufe
ive never heard of him

You've just disqualified yourself. Do not speak of politics again... ever.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Sandman
You've just disqualified yourself. Do not speak of politics again... ever.

[SteveBailey]

How many Americans kill Americans? How many people die in car accidents daily?

tell me how this matters?  If Americans kill more Americans that illegals do, does that make it ok that illegals kill over 9000 per year?

The point is, 9000 people per year would not be killed if we merely enforced existing laws.  Can you admit that this would be a good thing?

[rpm]

Originally posted by CHECKERS
RPM,
 Everything I posted also contains the sources .... everything....
 Your claim of misinformation's so-far has been backed with zero foundation...

  McCain flips on everything he says .....
     Support for McCain on issue you give him credit for,  is easyer than thinking ......

 

 ps
 I'm sure  you still don't get it ....

Checkers, Everything you posted has a name attached, but no source.... none....your claim of fact is not backed with figures. So far all you have done is repeat a few talking points with no foundation.

I asked for comparison numbers to substantiate the random talking point quotes you Rip-n-Pasted and you give me the bill with out any figures to back up your quotes.

ps
I'm sure you know that because you no idea what the actual numbers are and you just post what some propaganda website tells you to without researching their unfounded claims.

[rpm]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
tell me how this matters?  If Americans kill more Americans that illegals do, does that make it ok that illegals kill over 9000 per year?

The point is, 9000 people per year would not be killed if we merely enforced existing laws.  Can you admit that this would be a good thing?

I'm just trying to verify claims like this.

Thousands of Americans die at the hands of illegal aliens every year.

Really? What is the percentage of deaths overall? Is it .0005% or is it 65%?

Thousands of people commit voilent crimes with firearms. 88% of Federal offenders involved with firearms were U.S.
citizens source
The point is 88% of violent crimes would be prevented if guns were not available. Does that mean US citizens should not have guns?

No, it does not. Numbers can be taken out of context and spun to fit almost any shinola. You can drink the Kool-Aid some biased website is serving or you can research and find the actual numbers and think for yourself.

I prefer to think for myself.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by rpm

So, you can't admit 9000 less deaths would be a good thing.  I didn't think so.  What if it's 7000, or only 5000...1000?  RPM, it sickens me that you are so politically left of center that you can't even admit that less murders in the US is a good thing.

Tell me RPM, should we just open the borders and let everyone in? Answer the question.

[rpm]

Steve, if we follow your logic you would have us remove every gun in America because they cause deaths. Can't you admit guns kill people and less guns would equal less murders which is the string you're clinging to? It's a strawman arguement.

Answer my original question (show me the numbers) and quit tap dancing and flag waving.  But, you don't have the answer so you have to tap dance and flag wave to divert attention from the fact you can't back up what you say. After you do that, I'll answer your question.