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Offline Simaril

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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2007, 01:10:54 PM »
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Couldn't resist this one...

What's the OTHER thing?

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Scotty, it may be time to ask your mom about getting The Talk.....:lol
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« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2007, 02:23:27 PM »
I had my wife read this thread. She said....*it sounds like you*, I asked her which part, she said all of it, even the gasping for breath....ugh. I have an appointment to see a doctor Monday morning.
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« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2007, 06:19:02 PM »
On the plus side, Elfie --

one of the things I really like about Sleep Medicine is that people get SO much better, that it makes such a big difference in their quality of life. It's not about fixing some number, its about helping people feel better.
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« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2007, 06:19:42 PM »
Interesting how a bunch of late-night flying folks can develop this apnea thing!

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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2007, 09:05:08 PM »
I am really glad I started this thread. Sounds like some positive movements due to it. Thanks for posting more information and thank Simaril for also posting and answering questions.

Get it done guys. Get in and have that sleep study! You will be so glad you did.

Here is the unit I use. Very small and quiet. I am quite pleased with it.
http://www.thecpapshop.com/product_page_detail.asp?ProductID=340&ProductCatID=22&Search=

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« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2007, 11:38:05 PM »
Interesting thread.  Must be miserable to not get proper sleep & all that results from it.
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« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2007, 11:41:07 PM »
Did you know your squaddie was a Sleep Study Director?

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« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2007, 03:46:17 AM »
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Thankfully my insurance covers everything 100%.


I'll have to make a co-payment to see the doctor. We have an HMO for health insurance, anything they send you outside the HMO for is paid 100% iirc so the sleep study shouldn't cost us anything. I am hoping that if I need a CPAP that it will be covered also.
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« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2007, 05:43:29 AM »
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Did you know your squaddie was a Sleep Study Director?


I do now.

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« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2007, 09:34:53 AM »
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I never use the C-flex, tried it at first, but the tech who set up the machine set the time frame too long, so I quickly learned to do without it.  No problems at all, never use Cflex now.

Will probably break down and buy my own travel CPAP, tired of dragging a large unit in it's own container.  Just wondered if you knew any better than the others.

Thanks for the answer.


Dago,

I travel a lot and I use the following:
http://www.thecpapshop.com/product_page_detail.asp?ProductID=416&ProductCatID=8&Search=
Works very well and it's very light 2@3 lbs, you will need to get a letter from your doctor stating you need to have it with you as it's not advised to have it in checked luggage, it seam's they are a "hot item"

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« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2007, 09:40:55 AM »
I have to say this is the first O'Club thread I've read in a year and a half that hasn't declined into a flamewar AND is interesting at the same time.  KUDOS!

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« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2007, 10:32:30 AM »
Lot of informative reading on this post!

I am 22, not over weight, I dont dream much (if ever hardly), and I snore softly (almost like a deep breathing). I never EVER feel like I got a good night sleep!!! I slept 8 hours last night, my eye lids are about 40lbs, and I am yawning right now at 11:30. I never thought to much about it as my medical knowledge is less than stellar. After reading this I am going to visit someone and see whats going on. I literaly cant remember the last time I woke up refreshed and ready to go (even with 10 hours sleep).

Thanks Daddog for starting this and all the great posts!

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« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2007, 02:56:49 PM »
CFYA--

If you're not feeling rested after adequate sleep, then something isn't right. Can't always be sure just what's doing it right off, but it makes sense to follow whatever clues are there.

Since you snore -- even lightly -- you have at least some mild degree of sleep breathing abnormality. Even if you have no apnea problem now, this means that you NEED to be careful about your weight for the rest of your life, because you are at risk for sleep apnea.

Some people get sleep disturbance with even minor degrees of airway narrowing. This Upper Airway Resistance Syndrome acts like sleep apnea and is treated the same way, except that since the degree of narrowing isnt as severe there is better (but not perfect) response to surgical treatment (like getting the sinuses fixed, etc.)

In your age range, and without being overweight, it's also good to think about general medical causes of fatigue. These commonly include anemia, depression, thyroid problems, electrolyte or hormone problems, and so on.

There are also non-apnea sleep disorders to consider. Lack of adequate sleep time is the most common cause of fatigue in the western world. And yes, almost everyone needs 7-8 hours sleep for full recharge. Although some people have body clocks that hide the fatigue almost completely, tests of functional alertness show they make more mistakes and have more injuries than those who get enough sleep. Likewise, shift work can mess up the natural body clock and leave people feeling permanently jet lagged.

Resltless leg syndrome can affect even teenagers, though its usually obvious when that's the cause of poor sleep. Insomnias, or frequent awakenings, are also pretty obvious.
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« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2007, 03:12:16 PM »
Least obvious are the truly rare sleep disorders like narcolepsy. People with narcolepsy have significant symptoms an AVERAGE of 17 YEARS before the diagnosis is made. Partly thats because the majority of docs out there have had very little training in sleep disorders, but its also because patients jsut think its normal to feel the way they do -- theyve never known any differently. On TV, narcolepsy is shown like some kind of sleep seizure, where people can fall asleep in the middle of a sentence, but like many things TV has it wrong. The sleepiness of narcolepsy is more like an incredible pressure to fall asleep, like you've pulled an all nighter and you're in a boring meeting.

What causes narcolepsy is the absence of a critical brain chemical that only shows up in a single small place in the brain. Without that neurotransmitter, the regulation of sleep and wake gets totally messed up...so wake intrudes into sleep time, sleep intrudes into wake time, dreams show up when people are awake, and having the normal paralysis during dreams (that protects our spouses from getting punched when we dream we're fighting) show up when we're awake.

The four primary symptoms of narcolepsy are:[list=1]
  • Excessive daytime fatigue with sleep attacks
  • Cataplexy -- drop attacks, where varying degrees of paralysis show up in awake people when they get angry or laugh
  • Sleep paralysis -- where people can wake up or be about to fall asleep, and find that they simply cannot move even a muscle, no matter how hard they try
  • Hypnogognic hallucinations -- where dream like material shows up even though people are awake. For example, I had one patient see and feel their dog on the bed, down to the warmth of the covers and the creases in the blanket, but the dog wasn't there, and they put their hand right through when they tried to pet it. More commonly, people will actually hear something that isnt there, like a phone or a car or a doorbell.

(Don't panic about the last one...most normal people can have this if they get tired enough.)

Sleep apnea and narcolepsy absolutely require a sleep study for diagnosis, and narcolepsy requires a Multiple Sleep Latency Test (four or five nap attempts 2 hours apart, done the day after the sleep study). Final diagnosis of narcolepsy depends on a specific dream pattern during the sleep study and MSLT.




Most doctors don't have a lot of training in sleep disorders, because the area is glossed over in med school and most residency training. If you have a sleep problem, do some research and be prepared, so that if your doctor isnt really strong in sleep stuff you know to see the specialist.

Here's a link to the American Academy of Sleep Medicine: AASM

and here's one to help you find a high standard, accredited sleep laboratory: Sleep Labs by state


Lastly, here's a link to a list of Board Certified Sleep Specialists: Board Certified Sleep Specialists

There are an embarrassing number of Dollar Generating Unit sleep labs, where the main emphasis is maxing out the number of sleep studies they do. There are also many who do sleep medicine with very little training in the less common (IE non-sleep apnea) disorders. Be aware of those factors when you choose where to go.
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« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2007, 03:20:55 PM »
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I do now.



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Being a doc is what I DO, not who I am.

Hadn't come up when we flew or just pal'd around, so I bet most didn't know. It's just my job...and in my opinion, anyone who puts more stock in what they do than they do in who they are inside can't help but get a little messed up.
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