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« on: May 28, 2007, 11:08:56 AM »
This is not a forum I frequent, but I thought it would be worth while to post about this condition if by the off chance it serves as a warning to someone else with this problem.

Not long ago I was diagnosed with severe sleep apnea. This is a condition where the soft tissue in the back of the throat closes off your airway when your sleeping and your brain fails to correct the problem. Those that know me might say ‘That is not all your brain is failing to do.’ :D From what I have read over 12 million American’s have it so it is not uncommon by any means. Sleep apnea can cause high blood pressure, memory problems, weight gain, impotency, and headaches. It is most common for males, over the age of 40 and over weight. I am male and over 40, but at least I am not over weight. My guess is a lot who play Aces High are all three of those.

I would guess for me personally this condition started about 20 years ago. I wonder, correlation? :D It was such a gradual process I never realized I had it. Much like the frog you put in pan of cold water and then you turn on the heat. For years I have always been tired when I get up. I have always been nodding off to sleep while driving to work. I have always fought staying awake in the afternoon. Always tired. I just figured that was life with four children and a busy teaching schedule. I have always been a morning person and I get up 4 AM. Out the door by 4:30 and off to the gym. I would work out, shower and change and try to be at work by around 7 AM or so. Get home between 5 or 6 and would usually stay up till 9 or 10. A couple years ago my wife mentioned she had seen me stop breathing during the night. We knew what sleep apnea was and talked about it, but like so many things in life it was put on the back burner. I did not have time to go to the doc’s and see if that was what I had. Time went on and she had noticed it a few other times. Also sometimes I would wake up breathing hard and in a sweat as if I had been working out. Although I have had this condition for years it was just the past couple years it really became apparent.

I finally went in and had what they call a sleep study. You are wired from head to toe and they monitor your sleep. Needless to say my results were surprising I had hypnea which is a form of sleep apnea. Hypnea means that for a period of time (less than a minute) you receive 50% or less of the oxygen required. Another interesting fact from my sleep study was my REM, (Rapid Eye Movement) stage of sleep. That is to say I did not have any REM sleep. REM is your dream state of sleep and is required for a healthy night sleep. I can remember having dreams as a young man, but over the past 10 years it became rare for me to wake up and recall any dreams I had. In more recent years I might remember one or two dreams in a month. For those of you in the medical field my:
- Respiratory Arousal Index was 59.3 an hour
- Average duration of hypopnea was 15.2 seconds
- REM was only 9% in 269 minutes. In that time I had 200 hypopneas.

After being diagnosed with this condition I bought one of those CPAP (Continuous Positive Airway Pressure) machines. When I go to sleep I place a small mask over my nose that has a flex hose connected to the CPAP machine and I shut my mouth. It acts like a small (and very quiet I might add) compressor. This slight pressure keeps the airways open. I was concerned about keeping my wife awake at night, but it really is very quiet and only took her a few days to get used to it. It took me a few days to get used to it also, but once I did it has really made a difference. No doubt I am not as tired as I was, but what has really been the most significant change is my dreams. It is as if someone had opened up a whole new world at night. When I wake up in the morning my head is flooded with the dreams I had from the night before. It really is amazing to go from a reality without dreams to a reality with dreams. I had forgot how vivid and real dreams could be. Not that I put any kind of weight in dreams or am into dream interpretation, but the simple fact that it is fundamental to have dreams for your health and well being.

It has been about 6 weeks now since I started using CPAP machine and the results are positive in my book. I figured it would be worth while to post this since maybe, just maybe, it will help someone else who struggles with being tired all the time and might have sleep apnea and not know it.
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2007, 11:44:24 AM »
Your story reads very similar to mine.  I was waking 71 times an hour.

Been on a CPAP about 2 years.

And yeah, I started to dream again after starting CPAP, hadn't noticed or thought about fact that I hadn't been dreaming.

I take the CPAP with me when I travel.  Makes quite a differance, and haven't woken up with a heart beat going so hard and fast that I could barely breath since.

Plus, my wife doesn't complain about me snoring anymore and I can sleep on my back again.
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2007, 11:46:49 AM »
that is amazing, Daddog.  good thing you finally checked it out.  its a pretty big bang for your buck as far as treatments go, going from rem sleep deprivation to restfull sleep.   i'm going to suggest it to my brother.  thanks for the info
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2007, 12:36:39 PM »
I believe I have this as well.   I'm going to have a Sleep Study done as well.
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2007, 02:46:58 PM »
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I believe I have this as well.   I'm going to have a Sleep Study done as well.


A good tipoff is if you are married, does your wife noticing you jerking at night?  Like a whole body shake?  Often, when someone has sleep apnea, they will stop breathing, and restart with a jerk, but not be aware of it.
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2007, 02:47:14 PM »
Mash, you need a prescription to by a CPAP.  according to the CPAP website, you can buy a "test tape" from them, tape it to your upper lip and it will record your breathing pattern while you sleep.  then you send the tape or strip or whatever its called back to them, and they will send you a prescription for a CPAP if your test is within their parameters.   it sounds like it might be cheaper than a sleep study.
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2007, 04:40:04 PM »
Yep,

Same thing here, I was diagnosed with severe sleep apnea about 6 months ago. in total if I remember right in a 7 hour period I stopped breathing  83 times, Using the CPAP now with a full mask (covers Nose & Mouth) with a humidifier...
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2007, 05:10:02 PM »
an older friend of mine had this for years and didn't know it.  had to take caffeine pills to get through the day.  

if you are getting enough sleep, and still very tired or falling asleep during the day, you should definitely get tested.

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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2007, 06:28:16 PM »
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A good tipoff is if you are married, does your wife noticing you jerking at night?  Like a whole body shake?  Often, when someone has sleep apnea, they will stop breathing, and restart with a jerk, but not be aware of it.


My wife says I'll "stop breathing, for sometimes 30 seconds and then restart".   I guess I wiggle one leg from time to time too.  Problem with me is that I sleep like a rock.    She's an insomniac.    I feel bad for her, she's put up with this for so long.   But I just feel it's time like daddog, to move this to the front burner.  

I rarely recall dreams anymore.   I rarely feel "energized", even though I push 400-700lbs at a time at work.   I've lost 32 pounds so far because of my job.   But it seems like no matter how long I can sleep, it will "never be enough".   I wake up dragging arse.    

She's pretty much convinced I have apnea, which is why I'm going to do something about this.   I'll be 34 on June 9th, and have been married almost 9 years.   It is hereditary, my brother had a sleep test, and was diagnosed with it, but hasn't done anything.   Polyps run in the family (grandpa died of Colon Cancer and I almost lost my mother in 1990 to polyps) and I'm the only sibling to have a colonoscopy.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2007, 06:44:22 PM »
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My wife says I'll "stop breathing, for sometimes 30 seconds and then restart".   I guess I wiggle one leg from time to time too.  Problem with me is that I sleep like a rock.    She's an insomniac.  

I rarely recall dreams anymore.   I rarely feel "energized", even though I push 400-700lbs at a time at work.   I've lost 32 pounds so far because of my job.   But it seems like no matter how long I can sleep, it will "never be enough".   I wake up dragging arse.    


All those are very strong symptoms of sleep apnea.  You are not sleeping like a rock, you just think you are.  Lack of dreams illustrates it.

I would bet money if your symptoms are as described, you have apnea and need treatment.

I swear at least one third of the guys at work have apnea.  One of the thinnest guys at work has apnea.

One of the bright bulb moments for me was, one day flying home from the east coast, after being on the CPAP for a while, I realized in the airplane that I wasn't tired.  It had been longer than I could remember when I felt like that, no underlying tired feeling, just wide awake.  Amazing how you just become used to being tired all the time without realizing it.

Get tested soon, untreated apnea can cause heart problems.
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2007, 08:19:12 PM »
Is surgery any kind of option for this?
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2007, 08:28:53 PM »
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Is surgery any kind of option for this?


As I understand it, the medical surgical treatment is to use a lazer to burn and remove some of the flesh from the back of the throat, including the uvuala (sp?).

My understanding is it is a painful recovery, you must learn to swallow in a new manner, and if I remember the doctor correctly, it is only successful in something like 30% of the cases.

CPAP has a much better rate of success but the Cpap  method isn't without inconvienience, cleaning, taking it along when traveling, and sleeping with a mask strapped to your face.

If I remember it correctly, there is also a method to implant a series of plastic splints in the throat to hold it open, but it didn't sound like a good way to go, so I went with CPAP.
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2007, 08:49:52 PM »
I have a lot of sleep problems, unfortunately, not diagnosable. I had a sleep study, and they said I don't have apnea and I don't have RLS...  Ambien Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope. :(

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2007, 09:14:11 PM »
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Sleep apnea can cause high blood pressure, memory problems, weight gain, impotency, and headaches. It is most common for males, over the age of 40 and over weight. I am male and over 40, but at least I am not over weight. My guess is a lot who play Aces High are all three of those.


Hmm high blood pressure, weight gain, headaches. I snore a lot, and loudly :(

Is this the sort of thing one would get: http://www.sleeptech.co.nz/s8asc.pdf  ?

Is it worth doing the test, some NZ companies do it for NZ$75 (bout US$60) http://www.trademe.co.nz/Health-beauty/Health-care/Other/auction-101156132.htm?p=12

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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2007, 09:38:18 PM »
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Hmm high blood pressure, weight gain, headaches. I snore a lot, and loudly :(

Is this the sort of thing one would get: http://www.sleeptech.co.nz/s8asc.pdf  ?

Is it worth doing the test, some NZ companies do it for NZ$75 (bout US$60) http://www.trademe.co.nz/Health-beauty/Health-care/Other/auction-101156132.htm?p=12


Yeah, that is the kind of thing.  It is normally supplied by prescription, with proper settings derived from the sleep study.  In the USA, I don't know if you can even get one without a prescription.  Certainly wouldn't know the proper air pressure setting required, that is something they determine in the sleep study.

I believer here to, a doctor may have to order the test for insurance to cover it, but if you are paying yourself, probably not.

I remember taking my test, the sleep technician was a pretty young girl with a very nice voice. (she talked to me over an intercom setup a bit)  :D
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