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Offline titanic3

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« on: June 02, 2007, 06:42:33 PM »
does the cannon load like a tank, you have to wait a few seconds to fire again.
or does it fire as a semi-automatic weapon, if not automatic?

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2007, 06:59:26 PM »
Like a tank.


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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2007, 07:59:28 PM »
Aye, I've read about 3 sec or so per shot.  I wish we had a bit more accurate gunsights for that particular weapon, but it'll still be nice to be able to actually kill GV's parked on concrete instead of them exiting flight when they hear bombs whistle in.  Nothing more annoying than a 15 min flight (or more) into a base heavy, only to see your targets sitting on concrete with .EF ready in their text window.

Let's see 'em try to exit before a 75mm hits 'em.  Of course, any GV'r worth beans is going to be real interested in shooting at a B-25 before the pilot gets a shot in.  Will be fun :aok   !
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2007, 01:13:40 AM »
Most modern tanks w/ auto loaders are around 12 rounds per minute - give or take sight adjustments / targeting info.... average fire time might be around 8-10 round per minute..... in a tank.

add g-forces in a plane, ect   that 75 might be a lot slower than the 20 rounds per minute suggested in what you read. Especially with one guy doing the loading :)
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2007, 01:22:41 AM »
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but it'll still be nice to be able to actually kill GV's parked on concrete


Er... no.

It won't penetrate tank armor, period. Might knock out the gun turret on an ostwind, but will not damage T34s, panzers, tigers, and probably not even the firefly. Might (MAYBE) disable or take out a M-8.


But then the M8 isn't much of a threat most times, is it?



Once again, HE round, in no way at all would it penetrate armor (repeat, NOT AP!). Meant for unarmored objects (barges, unarmed ships, etc). Best use for it would be town buildings. Forget tanks. They'd just hop in the pintle and shoot you down before you could damage them.

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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2007, 01:49:16 AM »
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Aye, I've read about 3 sec or so per shot.  

That sounds much too fast for me. I don't have a reliable source of information on this, but I do know that very few shots were fired on each attack run.

There was an automatic 75mm developed towards the end of the war, but this did not enter service. It could fire at 30 rpm.

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2007, 02:38:41 AM »
We wont get the 75 for the B25.

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2007, 03:07:59 AM »
Greetings,

  Standard for rearming the 105mm in recent armored vehicles was 5 sec.  From Breech drop to 'ready, up'.

  Now that is in a vehicle on the ground, self positioning cannon, and ammo readily available.  What a 75 in the air, while bouncing around, with ammo not readily available from a sitting position... I dunno.  Got to be standards in some manual somewhere.

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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2007, 03:50:11 AM »
If HiTech models this  AHII B25 like his one in WB, it will have the 75mm HE cannon as well as para-frags, time will tell though, time will tell. :lol

To answer the thread starter's question, no the 75mm was not semi auto. It was loaded manually so will function like a tank.  This wepon will be great Vs. Structures but not at all Vs. Tanks unless you hit their treads (good luck with that one, especially if the person driving said tank is an LTAR) :)

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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2007, 05:41:34 AM »
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Greetings,

  Standard for rearming the 105mm in recent armored vehicles was 5 sec.  From Breech drop to 'ready, up'.

  Now that is in a vehicle on the ground, self positioning cannon, and ammo readily available.  What a 75 in the air, while bouncing around, with ammo not readily available from a sitting position... I dunno.  Got to be standards in some manual somewhere.

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Don't know about turbulence and pulling G. But ammo looks like it's in EZ reach.

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2007, 06:52:39 PM »
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Er... no.

It won't penetrate tank armor, period. Might knock out the gun turret on an ostwind, but will not damage T34s, panzers, tigers, and probably not even the firefly. Might (MAYBE) disable or take out a M-8.

But then the M8 isn't much of a threat most times, is it?

Once again, HE round, in no way at all would it penetrate armor (repeat, NOT AP!). Meant for unarmored objects (barges, unarmed ships, etc). Best use for it would be town buildings. Forget tanks. They'd just hop in the pintle and shoot you down before you could damage them.


It is true that the 75mm HE round was not very effective against hard targets. However, the thought of using AP ammo did cross the mind of a few individuals in the 5th AF.

If you examine available records, the 5th AF ordered and received 500 M72 75mm armor piercing rounds. These were suitable to be fired from the M3 gun in the B-25G or from the T13E1 75mm installed in the B-25H. This is found in the 5th's ordnance requisition records, dated August 4, 1943.

This resulted from Pappy Gunn's attack on the Japanese destroyer on July 28th 1943. He scored 7 hits on the destroyer, but the HE rounds fired from the M3 gun of his B-25G did only superficial damage and didn't even slow it down. Other B-25s with Gunn sank it by skip bombing 500 lb bombs into its hull.

Gunn discussed this with General Kenney, who then called supply and ordered that armor piercing ammunition be obtained ASAP.

I can't find any record of these rounds actually being used, but it seems safe to guess that some were, at least experimentally.

As to reload speed, it was mighty fast. Gunn scored two hits in a Japanese transport aircraft as it taxied on the ground on one strafing run.

From General Kenney Reports:

Returning over the Jap airdrome at Cape Gloucester, Pappy looked ahead and saw his chance to redeem himself. Just landing was a Nip two-engined transport airplane. Pappy opened his throttle, pushed ahead of the formation, and fired his two remaining rounds of cannon ammunition at the Jap plane taxiing along the ground. One of the high-explosive shells hit the left engine and the other the pilot’s cockpit. The transport literally disintegrated. Pappy reported with great glee when he landed back at Port Moresby, “General, no fooling, as I passed over that Nip plane there were pieces of Jap higher than I was.”

We found out afterward that, among the fifteen passengers on that Jap plane, were two generals and three colonels on their way to a staff conference at Wewak.


Two hits that close together means a rapid reload time.

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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2007, 07:04:12 PM »
Um... did I miss something? Are we getting a strafer w/ 75mm? Or is he just wishing?

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2007, 07:09:23 PM »
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Er... no.

It won't penetrate tank armor, period...



Mostly concerned about Osty's and M-16's here, who park on the concrete and exit flight for a successful landing anytime they hear bombs dropping overhead.  I'd love for there to be a several-second delay on .EF if you're in a stationary GV, but that'll never happen.  This will be the next best thing

A 75mm of any sort, HE included, will toast one easily.  Especially one fired from overhead impacting into the open-topped crew area.  Heck, from the sides a 75mm Pz-IV shell will shred 'em.

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Um... did I miss something? Are we getting a strafer w/ 75mm? Or is he just wishing?


When the B-25 won the vote, Skuzzy had said he was looking forward to modeling it.

It'll be a hangar queen without it for any time period that has the B-26.


Ref:  Rate of Fire

The manufacturer claims 4 rounds from the 75mm during a strafing run on a target.  3 -4 sec per round?  I usually get fewer than that from a 40mm, lol!
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2007, 07:12:23 PM »
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Um... did I miss something? Are we getting a strafer w/ 75mm? Or is he just wishing?


Hinted at.

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B-25 – Cool plane, one of my favorites as a kid and another sentimental favorite for various reasons.  Good for several variants and who wouldn’t want to fly a plane that has a 75mm cannon and 14 .50s?
 




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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2007, 07:13:16 PM »
So... is that a yes? Is it confirmed to have the 75mm? (And I dont think it will be a hangar queen, people will still favor it over the B-26 if only because its prettier)