Knight Rook or Bish

[pluck]

all i can say, all countries are basically the same.  If you fly in one arena, and you have a large number advantage you win... If you don't, you lose.  pretty much end of story.  I go to one arena see, nits number's in the bucket, and they are getting thrashed.  I go to the other arena, they have numbers and the most bases.  The other night rooks had something like 180 players to approx 60 nits, and 80 bish....rough approx.  guess who was winning.  Go to the other arena, rooks getting pounded, they are low number.  That's the strat game right there.  I wonder how many times low number teams try to take a base, when it looks like the will take it, maybe many go to defend another base that is being overwhelmed.  I don't think you can say lack of numbers makes teams "bad"  Just my experience, i've been switching country's for years now.  It's always been the same.

I might also add, that i've always thought that certain players will gravitate to the lower numbered teams....sometimes these players aren't so much interested in taking bases, but seeing alot of planes.  On the other side of the coin, I'm sure SOME strat players/squads like to fly for the higher numbered side for obvious reasons.  Just a theory.

[crockett]

Originally posted by LTARsqrl

Why did YOU assume I meant ONLY Bishops?

Don't read more into my post that is there.  This simply states that those statistics don't mean squat about pilot skill when dying has no value beyond score.  It points out just one type of example on how the Kill/Death ratios are tainted.


LTARsqrl  <>  

Why did I assume? Simply because you used those examples as to why the "Rooks" have better kill to death ratio and why the Bish don't as if it's a fact.

[crockett]

Originally posted by VansCrew1
i agree,i have been all three my self,but knights are the least talanted of the three,their are alot of good bish but no leadership,rooks just hord 20K+ over a base,and when you get on their six they dive to the deck like grils.and a few knights go higher then rooks do,some people from the Dragons of Steal ok 25K+ just to live,because their score hores.

1.Rooks
2.Bish
3.Knights.

in that order best to worst,but wining map's in the La bish are #1,they have won the most maps.

The only reason the Bish ever reset maps, is because all the milk runners come on late at night. I've seen it time and time again in the 2am to 4am time rage there is a group of Bish that are on every night whom pretty much do nothing but milk run when the bases have little to no defense.

Now I'll admit the bish have been putting together some good missions lately, but seems to take every bish that's online to capture a base. Then many times we see their wave of 30 bombers and half of them don't hit a thing.

Look at the last two resets the Rooks did in the LW's on Fri and Sat.. we didn't have to take your bases with 30 bomber plus missions.

[4deck]

A fart was imminent, sorry, I digress, I have found thy enemy.

It is US.

*riips one* and doesnt even look back

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Hoarach
Gah this makes too much sense.  

Do'h! You're right, I'm too much rational... I have to become a more hot-headed, lousy thinking, whiny rant spitter! Luckily I know the perfect man to teach me that.... when can we meet, Hoochie?

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by Gianlupo
You're wrong, Yarbles. What pisses us off is that the horde people seems not to realize that overwhelming number will never teach them anything, not will do anything to hone their skills. That's the trouble. Anyone can get some kills when fighting 50 vs 5, even if he's barely able to fly. Needless to say, he'll keep sticking with the horde and never learn to fight.


 <>

No one likes being told there wrong:o

Anyway why not develop some other skills and 5 of you up against the horde instead of 1 and destroy their mission Bof B style. I find it really hard to believe that your fun depends on whether or not others are learning. Facing the horde is just another challenge like building and directing the horde. The other night one 262 upped against about 25-30 of us the fact that they only managed to up one plane against 30 surely says more about their skills in communication and organisation than anything else. If they had got 5 or 10 up I think the mission may have failed.

If the horde pisses you off then do something about it i.e. defeat it. I think you would find most fighter pilots flew in squadrons for a reason but in reality the majority of AH seems to be inidividual actions and you also have the duelling arena.    

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Yarbles
No one likes being told there wrong:o

Anyway why not develop some other skills and 5 of you up against the horde instead of 1 and destroy their mission Bof B style. I find it really hard to believe that your fun depends on whether or not others are learning. Facing the horde is just another challenge like building and directing the horde. The other night one 262 upped against about 25-30 of us the fact that they only managed to up one plane against 30 surely says more about their skills in communication and organisation than anything else. If they had got 5 or 10 up I think the mission may have failed.

If the horde pisses you off then do something about it i.e. defeat it. I think you would find most fighter pilots flew in squadrons for a reason but in reality the majority of AH seems to be inidividual actions and you also have the duelling arena.    

So true.   Last night our squad was getting cherry picked.    I rolled a 262 and parted cons like Moses parting the Red Sea.   Because of the loss of theperch, they were forced into more "equal fights".    200 went up like Bill Clinton's peepee in a potatohouse.    

It's ok AH.   Please from now on.   "Blame Karaya".    Support the "Blame Karaya 2008" campaign, and release yourself from the stress and vigors of AH.   If you have been "ho'd by a Niki or Lgay7" - Blame Karaya.    If you get vulched by a Tempest - Blame Karaya.    If your base gets overrun and strated to the moon - Blame Karaya.

[B@tfinkV]

i would just like to say that i am in full support of 'Blame Karaya 2008'


sounds like a good plan, got my vote.

[pluck]

well, learning should be fun, but not dependent upon it.  Having players that are able to rely more on their elite cartoon airplane fighting skillz, than that of them plus the 5 other people, benefits everyone.  For you strat guys, it means you don't need 150 people to take a base.  For people who enjoy air combat, it means you don't have to play bore'n'zoom and cherry pick the horde.  trying to equate this game to real life is a big mistake, for so many reasons, i won't even get into here.  I have no problem flying into the horde, do it all the time.  But it is much more fun to have better fights.  Though somewhat entertaining, diving in on 5 cons chasing 1 good guy, shooting them like ducks in a row, is not what I would consider the fun part of the game, it's not really combat.  It takes people awhile to get the hang of this game, for sure, but some here, including myself, would like to see the game evolve from the stat it is currently in, (actually has numbers have grown it seems to have devolved a bit), to a game where success is not soley determined by which team can have the overwhelming number advantage.  That aspect really has nothing to do with skill, thought, gaming, or strategy, or organization...it's just a mob.  and i'm not talking about a mission or a squad mission...

Mash, so far you have my vote for 08....Corky is the current ruiner of AH, but he has a very busy schedule, mostly around p38 repair after his landings.  Not sure if he will have the time to continue his active role as ruiner of AH.

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Yarbles
No one likes being told there wrong:o

Oh, well, excuse me but....

I find it really hard to believe that your fun depends on whether or not others are learning.

[/b]

you're wrong! No, not really wrong, but you put in my mouth things I never said or meant. My fun depends on finding a stimulating fight. And fighting against the horde can be very stimulating and rewarding, although very hard. Just read the paragraph I wrote after the one you quoted.

The matter is that, as Pluck said, if my opponents knows how to fly and fight, he'll give me a better fight. That's why I'd like to see people learning more.

the fact that they only managed to up one plane against 30 surely says more about their skills in communication and organisation than anything else.

[/b]

Again, this is a game. I can say on country channel I need help to defend a field, but I can't force people to abandon what they're doing (and hopefully is giving them fun) to come to my aid... that's what the little armchair generals do... I can only ask and hope to get some help, but I'm fully aware I'm on my own. Who am I to tell people what they have to do? This is a game, they can do what they want.

If the horde pisses you off...

As I said, it's not the horde in itself, it's the mentality it implies... read what Pluck wrote, he nailed it down perfectly:

well, learning should be fun, but not dependent upon it. Having players that are able to rely more on their elite cartoon airplane fighting skillz, than that of them plus the 5 other people, benefits everyone. For you strat guys, it means you don't need 150 people to take a base. For people who enjoy air combat, it means you don't have to play bore'n'zoom and cherry pick the horde. trying to equate this game to real life is a big mistake, for so many reasons, i won't even get into here. I have no problem flying into the horde, do it all the time. But it is much more fun to have better fights.

Karaya.... look at my sig!

Edited some typo

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Gianlupo
Karaya.... look at my sig!

Spread the word!

[klingan]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Spread the word!

I am

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Why yes you have made two post prior to that one.  And here they are.  First one was to degrade another pilot for his post.  Then a  condescending post about play, and my favorite, a whine about how lame the thread you keep reading is.  And then a double up on the lame thread post in general.  
In short, what I have come to expect from any of your posts.  Comic relief in the form of ridicule.

Masherbrum:
 
 
 


You asked what has been constructive in the whole thread?  The thread in general has been interesting.  It shows how others view the different sides and how they view the tactics and strategies of the other sides.  Worthless to you, but 190 post worth of peoples input on a topic.  Even your input though not constructive, keeps people reading it and coming back for more.  So I guess in your own way, you are contributing.  You keep people reading this thread and adding to it.  

LTARsqrl  <>

About the thread being interesting

But please stop picking on Masherbrum we will all be old, cranky and cynical one day, claiming to have seen it all before and generally smelling of wee;)

[dedalos]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Led by Precisision (+) the finest squad in the game



"Surprise, co ordination and overwhelming force, Kill Crush Destroy"

and there ya have it all in a nutshell.

[Yarbles]

Dont forget though dedalos

Originally posted by 4deck


"They were still typing WTF when we captured the base".

Cheers:p