Milkrunning

[Toad]

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Yes, but offline bombing lacks the tension, excitement, and dare I say the committment of paying to bomb undefended bases.

[LYNX]

Originally posted by Kami
Is there a way that htc could code the game so that if no one is spawning at a field or perhaps within a certain distance to it (6 k) that you don't get points for destroying the objects.  That should help with milkrunning problems I think.  What's everyones opinions on this.

Kami  OK mate in all seriousness I'll respond as a reasonable person.  I see you're new to the boards having signed up just this year.  I understand that that doesn't necessary mean your new to the game but I would wager relatively new to a lot who have replied.  These boards can be tough, a little disconcerting.  Underlined with negativity, sarcasm, insults and on rarer occasion humour.

As you are aware there are furballers and strat players in the game.  The "click -fly-die" furballers and the "tool sheaders" strat players.  Many other derogatory insults and terms also prevail which in itself is a whole new thread:eek:

As a strat player what point would there be to allowing the destruction of certain targets and not get any points for it?  I see none.  The target is still destroyed which is a strat players objective.

As a furballer the answer is pretty much the same...None.  A furballer is still going to fight even if strats are 100% the whole map over.

As a "score hoar" and, I think this is where you are really aiming, again there is NONE.  If you take that aspect of "point collecting" away the scorer is still on an  EVEN KEEL  with his closest scorer adversary.  

So they may not bother going after the Ex-score targets but the "strat players" will or should do:rolleyes: ........ Example would be sailing a CV in for a capture.  The capture base and nearest base, usually undefended, will be deprived of ords so's the CV has a fighting chance to see the capture through, before it is sunk.

Friend there is a Ace High MYTH  that players on the whole play for points, score and rank.  There are indeed these types but they are a very small percentage.  Look at yourself and I bet the answer is with the majority, weather a strat player or furballer, and that answer is FUN

[badhorse]

There is a strategic reason for milk running.  If someone bombs a training base (barracks factory, whatever it's called) then the troops in the that zone will be down longer. Same with radar, ammo and ack.  Fuel too, but this one doesn't seem to cause much of a problem.  Bombing a city affects all of them.

This can work to your advantage when trying to take a base. Or to keep the bad guys from taking one of yours.

[Ghastly]

In counterpoint, I flew in the MW last night, and didn't see much to fuss over.  Had some very good fights, a higher than usual of them outside of the furball, which was nice.

BTW, to the AK's, particularly AKDogg. )

Yes, there were some that were avoiding anywhere where there was activity, but they were easily ignored - there were enough people playing "fighter pilot" to keep me busy which is all that I ask.

I don't really see that much of a problem here, unless a person is motivated by the scoring aspect of the game and feels cheated when someone else scores in "Easy mode".  

Which there is nothing wrong with, I remember playing through Zork trying to get a perfect score and being disgusted by a friend who used a walkthough.  I didn't get it then, and still don't really, but he was having fun and so was I.  We just enjoyed different aspects of the game play

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Ghastly
I don't really see that much of a problem here, unless a person is motivated by the scoring aspect of the game and feels cheated when someone else scores in "Easy mode".  

Bingo.

Confine rank to each separate arena, problem solved.

- oldman

[AKDogg]

Originally posted by Ghastly
BTW, to the AK's, particularly AKDogg. )

to U too.  I was on a roll lastnight, hehehe.

to Cobia38, Chrispy, JB15 and CFYA for the fun fights.  Sry for the instigating on 200.

[LYNX]

Ok ...I got time to waist so here's a AAR (after action report) from a strat players point of view and one with RANK.  Sitting in the "ops room" (tower) I take a look at the front and find Bish Strat at 100 %.  So I up Lancs with 25% fuel and 14 x1k'ers.  Target for today, Bish City.  Reason being to slow regain on any factory hit and therefore slow all regains on bish fields.  The buggers are going to have to go out their way to resupply   Target distance was four sectors.

First sector the climb out in friendly Rook held air space from and there on it was Indian country passing Knights bases V2 and A1.  Then into bish air space to the objective.  First sector nice easy climb out.  Second sector Indian country and I opt to maintain climb until splitting V2 / A1 where I would level for speed then grab after clearing knight held air space.  As I approach A1 the inevitable dar bars appeared.  I was close to going through the cloud layer at 13.5k when a I spotted a LA7 high at my four Oclock...bugger!.  Went level for speed but kept my course.  The LA had obviously seen my dar bar and was up for it.  LA7 at 15+K tells me....newbie.  Sure enough he comes around for a slash attack equal alt.  We engage and "bam" I take his tail clean off...phew!.

Back into auto climb I rise 1k instantly and settle back into the climb.  I get past knights bases but a dar bar pops on Bish air space.  Is that a bish upping from the field ahead or another knight still tracking me.  There he is a low LA7 my 6Oclock.  "oh bollocks not him again" I think.  Maintaining climb and course I await the attack.  Have I just pissed away 30 to 40 minutes for a newbie Lgay to get me?   "Jesus you newbie prat ain't it clear I ain't attacking the bleedin knights" cursing away unknown to him.  I'm like:furious.  He's gets to 1.5k out almost equal alt I level off for speed, a tad over 19k.  "Right ya barstool, ya in my playground" and switch to number 3 plane rear gun.  I wait ..1k wait still as he closes to 1000.  Default zoom 800 then he lets rip equal alt dead 6.  I return with gusto for 4 or 5 seconds.  This bleeder is going with me....."have iiiiiiitttttt".....boom the Lgay atomises.

System reports lead plane rear gunner dead number 2 drone fuel leak.  Situation 19,200 ft, 3/4 of tail ammo spent with 1 and quarter sectors to target.  Instantly into auto climb again rising 1k then opt to level 1 sector out at 20,500ft.  Heavy cloud cover over target.  Max zoom in front gun and still can't see the target.  Max zoom bomb site still no vis.  Acks popping around me now.  Nothing..no vis.  Can't see to bomb.  WTF then I remember.  Being a clever barstool I had pissed around with me vid cards default setting a couple of days ago.  Looking on the map I'm bang on top of Bish City.  To late to drop even if I did get a vis.  There was nothing for it but to extend north and descend under 15k.  As I did dar bars rose from both bish fields either end of Bish city....not bleeding good my friend.  

Target acquired at 14,800ft north to south west side. 1 bomb out on each of those four targets.  Looking around a spit is low north tracking me south.  I extend south swinging around to the north for the east side of the city.  Spitty gaining.  Looks like he'll be on me before the drop.  He angels off to line my low six giving me time to drop.  2 out on those to 2 targets and the spits on me as the bombs are in the air.   Frantically I jump to guns.  No time to get in number 2 or 3 plane.  I returning short bursts then his engine smokes.  The spitty lazily rolls off to the right and away....phew.  I head north west to turn in on the city south south easterly for the long diagonal target.  Still at 14.8k lead planes tail and top gunners dead.  As I make the turn in a spit and a niki are tracking.  I might not make this as they'll be on me way before the line up.  keeping cool I get the line long vis on target and quick calibration then back to guns.  The niki knows his stuff and keeps climbing but the spit is in.  He bobs up and down under my tail gunner my dead 6, from 800 right into 400.  He fires each time at he's level with me... a novice for sure but I haven't the ammo or the time.  Targets getting ever closer and the bloody niki is gaining and above me now.  Spitty fires and fires and all I can do is return the odd burst.  Finally I get some good hits right in the buggers face but it's to late.  Inner port engine blazing away... bail bail bail.  Then back to guns to find..... no spitfire.  He's dived out low my 4 O'clock.  I must have pilot wounded him.  

Niki ? high 4Oclock still climbing and tracking.  Target ? 15 seconds away. Lead plane lost and number 2 tail gunner dead.  I recalibrate and smoothly adjust the bombing line.   Click,click,click,click....four bombs out with an even spread.  I close doors and just then take massive hits.  The niki made a diving slash attack and climbs out to my 8Oclock.  Immediately I turn for home but quickly go above the cloud.  There he is my high six. Cloud layer is 15k so i level it out at 14,900 right in the mist.  I have 1 tail gunner left with just 36 rounds.  For about two minutes the niki plays cat and mouse while I bob up and down, above and below the cloud layer.  He makes his attack and my drone explodes.  My tail gunner is empty now.  Just my top gunner and as much as I try to get the niki with that gun he knows his stuff.  Each following three attack taking a heavy toll on my remanding Lancaster.  I do get a few hits in the niki but nothing noticeable before my port wing departs.  As I go into my death spiral it's time to bail.  Just before the 3rd "enter" the Lanc blows and I die.  I must have been on fire but didn't notice.

Target sit rep 84% destroyed....16% reported up. 2xLA7 destroyed. 2Xspitfires damaged.  Lose of 3 Lancaster's. 1 to a spitfire and 2 to a niki.

Kami I only got 7.3 perkies don't know about points.  Although I lost in my bombers, not for the want of trying, my objective was met.  I had FUN .....some "milk run".  Some neck!

I bombed Bish ammo factory next in B17's.  Shot down 1 plane made another bug out smoking and damaged 66% of the factory in three passes.  34% was remaining. Bish ammo destroyed on field taking a lot longer to regain.  Rooks and I then did some successful captures with CV's

[1Boner]

Great narrative Lynx!!

I love those high alt bomber encounters.

Had 4 guys (one in a a6m!!) chasing my 24s at 20k last nite.

I had to slow down to let them catch me.

No problems with 3 of them (they died valiantly).

But all it takes is one guy who knows what he,s doin and he will slowly rip your bombers apart.

to who ever that was in the 109!!  (sorry can,t remember the name)




Still having alot of fun in this game!!

Couldn,t care less about milkrunners.



Boner:cool:

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Ghastly

I don't really see that much of a problem here, unless a person is motivated by the scoring aspect of the game and feels cheated when someone else scores in "Easy mode".  
 

Well, thats the point.  Whats the point of keeping scores if they are so easy manipulated?  Whats the point of puting the name of the bigest gamer on the front page if scores mean nothing.  I m not asking anyone to change how they play.  Just change the scoring system.

[1Boner]

I agree Dedalos!!

Lets keep the EW and MW scores separate from the 2 LW arenas.

It,ll help keep the whining to a dull roar.

[Toad]

Nice tale, Lynx; sounds like a good time on both ends of your guns. Players played; engagements were had.

But that wasn't a milkrun; you were opposed for much of the time you were in enemy airspace.

Compare your flight to one in a nearly empty arena where no one... not one single aircraft... rises to meet and engage you.

That would be a milkrun. And what real fun would you have had, not seeing an enemy player for the whole flight?

I think that's what players talk about when they describe milkrun.

[LYNX]

Originally posted by Toad
Nice tale, Lynx; sounds like a good time on both ends of your guns. Players played; engagements were had.

But that wasn't a milkrun; you were opposed for much of the time you were in enemy airspace.

Compare your flight to one in a nearly empty arena where no one... not one single aircraft... rises to meet and engage you.

That would be a milkrun. And what real fun would you have had, not seeing an enemy player for the whole flight?

I think that's what players talk about when they describe milkrun.

I agree with you 100% but alas some don't know the difference.  Some porkers are called milk runners.  Some Bombers are called milk runners but the real milk runner is as you describe.  I was just trying to dispel some myth's.

I would have been happy to have done that run as described above without any contact but in the MA's it's not guaranteed.  There is always the chance of not "making it".  A chance you could be foiled.  

As for those that go to the EW/MW for a score purposes I have no positive comment to make.

[Gumbeau]

Originally posted by dedalos
Well, thats the point.  Whats the point of keeping scores if they are so easy manipulated?  Whats the point of puting the name of the bigest gamer on the front page if scores mean nothing.  I m not asking anyone to change how they play.  Just change the scoring system.

I doubt you want the real answer to your question.

I could quote some Jack Nicholson here but I won't.