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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2007, 05:46:14 PM »
huh huh.............. huh huh.......... huh huh....... sorry beavis.  :D
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2007, 05:53:20 PM »
I have a sudden urge to take a bong hit :)
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2007, 05:56:52 PM »
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I have a sudden urge to take a bong hit :)


WWJD?

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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2007, 06:15:33 PM »
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WWJD?

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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2007, 06:17:41 PM »
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It's a stupid banner, but how is it the fault of bush that the court ruled against them?  I clicked the link and even watched the video and not once did they say mr. bush is for or against what happened.
Did you see who voted? This is exactly the pro-corporate, pro-government results Bush wanted from the SCOTUS when he appointed Roberts and Alito.

Seriously, this is a a frightening ruling by the highest court in the land, at least for those of us who do feel that our individual civil liberties are essential to a democracy.

Read this from Tinker v. Des Moines School District. This was the 1969 case about students wearing black armbands to school to protest the Vietnam War & the principal suspended them. This decidely more liberal Supreme Court (than the current one) felt they were the guardians of free speech. ..... That Supreme Court said: (It's long but it's worth your time to read it.)

"It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate. This has been the unmistakable holding of this Court for almost 50 years."

"The District Court concluded that the action of the school authorities was reasonable because it was based upon their fear of a disturbance from the wearing of the armbands. But, in our system, undifferentiated fear or apprehension of disturbance is not enough to overcome the right to freedom of expression. Any departure from absolute regimentation may cause trouble. Any variation from the majority's opinion may inspire fear. Any word spoken, in class, in the lunchroom, or on the campus, that deviates from the views of another person may start an argument or cause a disturbance. But our Constitution says we must take this risk, and our history says that it is this sort of hazardous freedom--this kind of openness--that is the basis of our national strength and of the independence and vigor of Americans who grow up and live in this relatively permissive, often disputatious, society"

It makes me sad to read that & see how far away from this our current Supreme Court is now. This current Court does not seem to see the Bill of Rights as the individual's constitutional protection from government abuse of power. C'mon, do we really need the gov't, in the form of the school & principal, to tell that kid, in America, he has no right to hold up a banner at a parade that says something as silly as "Bong Hits 4 Jesus"? Is it good for any of us that that kid LEGALLY has no right to put up that silly banner? Where was the harm? What's up next? Thought police? This isn't China or the former Soviet Union.
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2007, 06:21:06 PM »
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It was off school property, after school hours. How is the school in charge of public speech? Is this Dubya's new "Nanny state"?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.


You're wrong.The event was a school-sanctioned activity during school hours, was supervised by school staff, and school rules of conduct applied. The broader protection for public speech didn't apply. Even the dissenting decision agrees on that point.

The disagreement related to the message. The majority held that the school officials' interpretation that "Bong hits 4 jesus" condoned illegal activity was a reasonable interpretation. The dissenting opinion felt the message was ambiguous and only intended to get on TV and the reference to drugs was oblique and not significant.
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2007, 06:30:13 PM »
Sorry, Myleto. You have your facts wrong. The student that made the sign & held it up was NOT in school at all that day & was not accompanied by teachers, & therefore was not at a school event.

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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2007, 06:39:29 PM »
RPM regardless of wheteher they kids DID or DID NOT have the Constitutional right to do what they did, i'm curious to pick your mind a little and I'd like to know if you think that is a tasteful and appropriate message to use outside of a school, during an olympic event and infront of their peers....Furthermore, would you encourage your 18 year old to do this?
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2007, 06:46:09 PM »
RPM, read the court's decision , get back with me and we'll talk.
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2007, 06:53:44 PM »
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Sorry, Myleto. You have your facts wrong. The student that made the sign & held it up was NOT in school at all that day & was not accompanied by teachers, & therefore was not at a school event.


He cut out of school early that day to go get the banner.  So yeah I guess "technically" he wasn't in school.  But he was still a student.

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The incident occurred in January 2002 just outside school grounds when the Olympic torch relay was moving through the Alaska capital on its way to the Salt Lake City, Utah, Winter Games.

Though he was standing on a public sidewalk, the school argued Frederick was part of a school-sanctioned event, because students were let out of classes and accompanied by their teachers.
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/4918974.html

Joseph Frederick, who has been teaching and studying in China, pleaded guilty in 2004 to a misdemeanor charge of selling marijuana at Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches, Texas, according to court records.

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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2007, 07:51:26 PM »
Fascist activists judges from the far far neoright are apparently good!

 

Apparently not only DOES free speech end at the school house door, it ends down the block, on the other side of the street, and on days when school is not in session if youre a student.

 

Were really going to miss our democratic republic now that its gone.


               
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2007, 07:52:36 PM »
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It was off school property, after school hours. How is the school in charge of public speech? Is this Dubya's new "Nanny state"?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.



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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2007, 07:53:25 PM »
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I sincerely hope kids aren't dying to defend those puke's right to do THAT:furious



They are dying for your right to say what you want too.
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2007, 08:05:17 PM »
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Originally posted by cav58d
RPM regardless of wheteher they kids DID or DID NOT have the Constitutional right to do what they did, i'm curious to pick your mind a little and I'd like to know if you think that is a tasteful and appropriate message to use outside of a school, during an olympic event and infront of their peers....Furthermore, would you encourage your 18 year old to do this?


Nobody cares about protecting our freedom to speak tastefully.  That kind of speech will likely never be challenged, unless we start letting others decide what is tasteful and what isn't.

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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2007, 08:09:39 PM »
Jesus wasn't white.