Author Topic: Structural Information on the origional WTC 7 NY Times article 1989  (Read 1190 times)

Offline Citabria

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seems many of these conspiracy videos I have seen recently came out a year or so ago but I have just seen them. Though I am impressed by the overall level of research and information I can't wrap my head around a conspiracy 110 stories tallx2 wired every other floor with thermite cutting charges placed during short periods where the power was shut off with the only noticed evidence being workmen pushing bins to unused floors and lots of concrete dust reported by survivors in the weeks before 9/11.

however building 7 seems like a textbook demo job and the owner of the building seems to have accidentally addmited to blowing up the building deliberately in a controlled demolition on the same afternoon that the towers were hit. but this would require more than a few days preparation and the building was on fire when it was pulled or collapsed.


Ive gotten hooked on finding info on ways this building could fall as officially described which is more difficult from a position of physics and the conspiracy version of explosives which is more difficult from a position of motive, opportunity and plausibility.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFDD113BF93AA25751C0A96F948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

this really dosnt help resolve anything one way or the other for me though I found it interesting.
kind of makes the fall of this building plausible and implausible at the same time.

in one sense it seems the building was heavily over engineered to make it viable for double height floors if needed by clients.

but it was also heavily reconstructed after it was built to add double height floors generators, fuel and boilers that could have compromised the buildings ability to withstand the level 2 earthquakes caused by the towers falling.
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2007, 08:13:43 AM »
See link at bottom for the Perdu University  Animation

"Purdue University Recreates 9/11 in Science-Driven Animation
6/25/2007

By Paul McCloskey

"A Purdue University research team has developed a computer simulation of the Sept. 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center with an aim to helping build stronger buildings in the future.

Although there have been many graphical interpretations of the incident made, the Purdue team said its model takes into account the actual architectural dynamics of the buildings as they were hit.

"The crashes and computer models you often see on television are not scientifically accurate," said Purdue computer science professor Voicu Popescu, who, with Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering, developed the model.

The Purdue simulation took years to create, including "weeks of supercomputer time over a number of years to simulate the event in many credible angles of impact of the aircraft," said Sozen.

Like other simulations, the Purdue model shows that the heat of burning jet fuel rather than the impact itself caused the most damage to the buildings. The researchers said they hope their new model will help generate ideas for new structural support systems in the future.  

The animation can be viewed from Purdue University's website at the link below.
A High Quality Physically Accurate Visualation of the Sept 11 Attacks
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2007, 08:17:24 AM »
Aother thing about the collapse Or intentional collapsing theory that bothers me. is if you look at just about any other video of buildings being intentionally imploded.
IT always starts at the bottom with the building folding in.
I've yet to see one start at the top  or near the top and the building collapse straight down

In searching for the info I just posted above I found this  posting on another BBS

He says it better then I can

"The conspiracy theories ask you to believe something else, too. They ask you to believe that this same government that can't reliably deliver your mail (just ask anybody in the Lakeview area of Chicago), the same government that leaks secrets like a sieve, the same Bush administration that most of you seem to think is a bundle of incompetent boobs on just about every other subject under the sun is somehow going to be capable of orchestrating this conspiracy and somehow keep everyone involved with it from talking, even if someone is caught.

Now, THAT is a bit much to swallow if you ask me."
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2007, 08:37:02 AM »
yep.. that part has always bothered me too...  hundreds of people in... in government fer christsakes...  are keeping a secret?   a secret that if told and proven would make the teller rich an famous beyond his dreams...

On the one hand.. we have a government who can't do anything right.. not even kill castro yet... it can orchestrate and cover up something so complex and full of variables as killing thousands of Americans with jet liners.

and.. then get osama to take credit for it publicly.

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2007, 08:40:08 AM »
The conspiracy theory's that abound, are not, just bush's admin. Even though realistically there are some very scarry figures in there. The conspiracy goes back alot further. And is much more imbedded. Bush probable didnt even know it. Most of it I feel involves money. LOTS of Money.
Forgot who said this while trying to take a base, but the quote goes like this. "I cant help you with ack, Im not in attack mode" This is with only 2 ack up in the town while troops were there, waiting. The rest of the town was down.

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2007, 08:42:48 AM »
I have always felt that the worst things the government has done to us have always been out of incompetence.... not so much evil intent... much less evil genius.

It seems that they are so clumsy that they hurt citizens.. their laws go amuck.. I even believe that the slaughter of the people at waco was out of incompetence and inabilty to control their agencies.

Now we are expected to believe that they pulled this one off without a bobble.. that hundreds of agents of the government are all in on it and keeping the secret.  

Besides the fact that there are no facts that point to this being the case... it is simply not very possible   being visited by aliens or the easter bunny is in the same plane of reality.

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Re: Its not Bush
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2007, 08:45:34 AM »
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The conspiracy theory's that abound, are not, just bush's admin. Even though realistically there are some very scarry figures in there. The conspiracy goes back alot further. And is much more imbedded. Bush probable didnt even know it. Most of it I feel involves money. LOTS of Money.


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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2007, 08:47:13 AM »
Given the great amount of time it would take to organize such a thing, and the large number of people involved, and the intense investigations that have gone on ever since, it is beyond the pale of human imagination that such a conspiracy could be kept secret.

On the other hand, conspiracy theorists can imagine a LOT.

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2007, 10:35:16 AM »
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Given the great amount of time it would take to organize such a thing, and the large number of people involved, and the intense investigations that have gone on ever since, it is beyond the pale of human imagination that such a conspiracy could be kept secret.

On the other hand, conspiracy theorists can imagine a LOT.



You really dont know anything about conspiracies.

Just to wake you up a little further.

http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html

This is about the bohemian grove, and who the members are. This is who runs the world. And trust me, they keep secrets. Permenantly.
Forgot who said this while trying to take a base, but the quote goes like this. "I cant help you with ack, Im not in attack mode" This is with only 2 ack up in the town while troops were there, waiting. The rest of the town was down.

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 10:39:15 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2007, 11:40:20 AM »
The Bohemian Grove is trying to take over the world!!??  Alex Jones!!??  :rofl

Bwaahaahaahaa!  


That "Club" is no mystery.  It's been around for over a century.  American business and government leaders go there to get away from it all, let their hair down, act like junior high simps, and tell peepee jokes, and according to the New York Times, run around naked.

Satanic rituals.  

They have a sacred owl on an island in the middle of a small lake with loudspeakers attached projecting the voice of Walter Cronkite during a ceremony called the Burning of Care:  the symbolic destruction of earthly troubles.  All this while the body of Care is ritually burned by some hooded figures.

They also have amphitheaters where plays are performed and speeches are given.

Ohhhh me!  If Alex Jones were a lawyer he would be an ambulance chaser...and a starving one at that.:rofl
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2007, 01:05:10 PM »
You can say whatever you like. I dont just check out Alex Jones, he maybe a bit more on the extreme side. BUT IMHO the world is being run into the ground. I believe money is the root cause of it. Also I agree with Alex, in the fact that complecency is death. And alot of people are dying everyday due to disinformation.

Cheers
Forgot who said this while trying to take a base, but the quote goes like this. "I cant help you with ack, Im not in attack mode" This is with only 2 ack up in the town while troops were there, waiting. The rest of the town was down.

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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2007, 01:10:32 PM »
And alot of people are dying everyday due to disinformation.
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And you fella have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel :D

PS: Hitler is still alive living in a glass jar in south america somewhere leading the 4th reich.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2007, 01:16:59 PM »
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trust me


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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2007, 01:41:48 PM »
Whats up with the rudeness.

Oh yeah Hitler didnt make it there, but I do know of a few who did, who also did work for us during the cold war.
Forgot who said this while trying to take a base, but the quote goes like this. "I cant help you with ack, Im not in attack mode" This is with only 2 ack up in the town while troops were there, waiting. The rest of the town was down.