Pot heads support terrorism.

[SkyRock]

I was taking the kids and the gf's nephews on a tour of downtown Memphis.  We rode the trollies, walked down Beale street and then went to the river(Mississippi).  There is a park near the old Tennessee Arkansas bridge and a walkway across the bridge.  I was going to let them walk across the bridge until we got on the Arkansas side so they could tell people they walked to Arkansas.  On the way back across the bridge, I found a .38 semi laying next to the concrete barrier.  I called the Memphis police when I got home and eventually an officer showed up at my door.  He ran the gun and it came up clean.  He then said, "Well, do you want it?"  I said yeah, I'll take it.  So now I own another gun!  hee hee:aok  this happened Friday the 13th..........(insert twilight zone theme music)!






Mark

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Originally posted by SkyRock
I was taking the kids and the gf's nephews on a tour of downtown Memphis.  We rode the trollies, walked down Beale street and then went to the river(Mississippi).  There is a park near the old Tennessee Arkansas bridge and a walkway across the bridge.  I was going to let them walk across the bridge until we got on the Arkansas side so they could tell people they walked to Arkansas.  On the way back across the bridge, I found a .38 semi laying next to the concrete barrier.  I called the Memphis police when I got home and eventually an officer showed up at my door.  He ran the gun and it came up clean.  He then said, "Well, do you want it?"  I said yeah, I'll take it.  So now I own another gun!  hee hee:aok  this happened Friday the 13th..........(insert twilight zone theme music)!






Mark

Damn you lucky MF'er.  I'm lucky if I find a dollar on the ground and you find .38, and get to keep it.

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Originally posted by Major Biggles

i would be very happy to see the legalisation of all firearms here in the UK, provided that serious background checks were made first. i'm not anti-firearm, but i don't like the american system of being able to walk into any  gunshop and walk out 5 mins later with a deadly weapon, without any proper checks.

Thats not entirely true, I'm pretty sure most states here do a back ground check before you can purchase a firearm,  there's a bill called "The Brady Bill" named after the Secret Service agent that was shot in the head on the assassination attempt on President Reagan's life, this bill requires a mandatory 2-30 day(depending on your state) waiting period for a proper back ground check, there are some states that have no waiting period though.  

you can see what the waiting period is in particapating states here
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=waitxstate

EDIT:Actually I just was looking at that website for the Brady Bill and the way I read it it looks like every state does have ethier a Federal or State background check before purchasing a firearm.  Not all have a waiting period, but all do some kind of background check.

Also are you saying that in Europe were you are that you can't own a firearm?

[FBBone]

Originally posted by Major Biggles
yeah, you and lazs are both right, that it is important to be able to protect yourself.

i personally would have no probs with my neighbours having guns. i'm on both sides of the fence really. i personally would like to be able to own a firearm, but at the same time, i don't want to see a gun in the wrong person's hands, that means innocent lives...

i would be very happy to see the legalisation of all firearms here in the UK, provided that serious background checks were made first. i'm not anti-firearm, but i don't like the american system of being able to walk into any  gunshop and walk out 5 mins later with a deadly weapon, without any proper checks.

if there was a serious and effective, yet not invasive gun control policy here, i would LOVE to see guns made totally legal here. i always thought it was quite surreal though, when i went into a range in vegas, and i was given a loaded gun, with more ammo, over the counter just like that, simply by handing over 20 bucks and my passport as a deposit. suppose i was some total psycho? the guys were all packing, and i'd be dead pretty quickly, but i could have killed anyone i wanted if i was quick enough.

surely that's a bit crazy? it's important that people don't have their rights infringed, and it's important to be able to protect yourself, but surely the right of another innocent person to live is far more important?

like i said, i would be all for guns here, infact i personally would love it, but there would need to be a rigid screening process. do you think that is stupid? do you really think that it is more important to be able to buy a gun whenever the hell you feel like it lazs, than it is for someone else to live?


think how many innocent lives could be spared in america if you guys would calm down about your 2 amendment rights for 5 minutes, while the store clerk ran a background check on a government network, with all the history of violence, mental health etc.

you'd have to wait a few minutes longer to buy a gun, perhaps now 20 minutes instead of 10-15, but thousands of lives would be saved each year.

responsible people can still get their guns, but guns get into the wrong hands far less, and thankfully, you won't need to use your gun to kill quite so often. would you be against that? think of how many columbine/VT style shootings that system would prevent.



i'm not anti-gun, but i'm opposed to the american system. there needs to be more care taken.

What you have described has already been passed into law and happens daily here.  You can go to a range and rent a firearm without using the instant check system, but your correct in your assumption that you wouldn't get far if you misused the weapon.

I can handle my neighbors having guns.  I decided to live my life assuming the guy out to harm me is armed and dangerous.  This doesn't bother me in the least until some nanny senator tries to take away my right to defend myself.  My situation is proof that a perp doesn't need to be shot in the course of self defense and just the presence of the gun can be a deterrent.  Not in all instances, but some.  

I wish both our countries leaders would stop trying to keep us safe from ourselves, but I'd guess thats a long way from happening.

[lazs2]

trax... try to make paragraphs so that it is easier to read your post but...

the gist of it is that you are using the old addict whine of "its not my fault the docs hooked me"   I was on morphine for a week then some synthetic for two months then any pain pill I wanted for 2 years because I had a leg reattached after a wreck along with a broken back.

I am not unique.. plenty of folks get hurt and get meds and then never turn into addicts... and so what if they do?  it is their choice.  I would simply prefer that they kill themselves without ripping the stereo out of my car and doing $2000 damage to get $1 worth of drugs..

Lynx... I think you are thinking fairly clearly even with all the propoganda you get in your country and lack of experiance.  

I would answer one of your questions... "how many innocent lives would be saved.."

None really.   maybe a few accidents that are legit...  maybe a few ghetto dwellers who get caught in the spray... that is about it.   Nothing compared to people who die from tripping in their living room or bath.

How can that be?  well... suicide is gonna happen gun or not.   Homicide is probly gonna happen gun or not.   two minorities cause about 60% of all homicides..   these are mostly drug related..   make the drugs legal and a lot of these go away... or maybe they just get into some other crime.. they are pretty much feral at this point but.....

point is.. in America... guns save lives.. our population is what it is.  the guns didn't make em feral.   because it is what it is.. we use guns 1.5 or more million times a year to stop bad people from doing bad things... if only a fraction of those times would have resulted in death then we are at a net plus....especially if you are not one of the feral humans..  one of the zombies.

Another point is to simply look at your own country.   You had no higher murder rate when you were allowed to have guns in the 1900's and carry them than you do now.

Your rate will go up tho... it will start to mimic ours because... no matter what you do... your minorities will go feral... just like ours.. you are simply behind the curve due to your less open immigration and... well... being a tiny little island and all with no borders.

The difference will be that you simply wont be able to defend yourself.   Your cops are worthless for  that just as ours are.

lazs

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Thank you for proving my point with that last post Lazs.  You obvious think there are people that could go kill themselves and you wouldn't care in the least, your care for your fellow man is heart warming.

And as for my addiction I take full responsibility for it, I was just stating that it's not like I decided one day that I wanted to use heroin and be an addict.  And again with your statement that "plenty of folks get hurt and get meds and then never turn into addicts... and so what if they do? it is their choice. I would simply prefer that they kill themselves without ripping the stereo out of my car and doing $2000 damage to get $1 worth of drugs" shows just how much you care about your fellow man, and really show just what kind of person you are.  As I stated before, I feel sorry for you Lazs.

[lazs2]

I care enough about my fellow man to let them have choices in their life which is more than I can say for you.   You are happy letting them risk their lives on a daily basis in an extremely dangerous lifestyle with almost no chance to get out... ruined by crime and ruined by a system you support.

I allow them to make choices and go in with their eyes open.. you want it all hidden... you are the one who doesn't care.   Your selfishness probly got you into the mess in the first place and it will probly be your excuse to go back.

most heroin addicts do you know... they come up with an excuse.. "poor me"  cat died.. whatever.   they are clean.. that part is easy... they simply choose... law or no law.. to go back to the scum bag life they led.   they don't mind stealing and destroying others lives to do it either... they make that decision when they are stone cold sober.. and... they have no problem getting loaded again just as before.. so long as they can steal enough money to pay.

yeah... its me that is the cold hearted one... right..  I never met a junkie who cared about his fellow man unless there was something in it for him.   A junkie can't be trusted even when he is clean...  not for at least ten years... maybe more.

You want to lecture me on "caring"?   tell it to someone who doesn't know better.. do the junkie con on someone else.   I seen it enough already and am not interested.  

sorry if you are one of the few who is different but... from your posts.. I can't see it.   Looks just like deja vu... well.... all over again.

lazs

[Major Biggles]

trax, you can get shotguns, rifles etc here, but you need to apply for a liscense, which can take a while to come. pistols are totally illegal here, because they're a deadly concealable weapon.

i would love to be able to own a handgun, but, that's the law, and if it saves lives, we're quite happy with that here in the UK. the only real point in a handgun is to kill. if you wanna shoot stuff properly, rifles and shotguns are totally fine, but you need to get a permit which can take up to a few months, and your guns and ammo need to be kept in a secure gun cabinet.

most farmers and peeps out in the country have several guns. rifles and shotguns actually have a proper purpose. handguns have just one useless one, killing people, that's why the law is like that in the UK. we're quite happy with it.

you guys seem to be happy with your laws too, and so if we're both happy, i don't see why you guys have a problem with people who don't really want loads of gun toting wackos out on the street.

it's a silly argument because both sides are right. but if we're all happy, why is there a problem?

[Atoon]

Bucky you stated somthing to the effect that U think long term use of pot affects a persons motor skillz. I think you might be surprised how many AH pilots that can easily wax you are very long term smokers....... reflexes & motorskills doin just fine!


Unfortunately I doubt it will ever be legalized simply because  many people can grow for themselves, all they would ever need, which would not generate ANY taxes.



Poppyfields in afghanistan-

Prolly owned by a wealthy Afi civilian and used to make bagels, and muffins(old roll eyes)

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Originally posted by Major Biggles
trax, you can get shotguns, rifles etc here, but you need to apply for a liscense, which can take a while to come. pistols are totally illegal here, because they're a deadly concealable weapon.

i would love to be able to own a handgun, but, that's the law, and if it saves lives, we're quite happy with that here in the UK. the only real point in a handgun is to kill. if you wanna shoot stuff properly, rifles and shotguns are totally fine, but you need to get a permit which can take up to a few months, and your guns and ammo need to be kept in a secure gun cabinet.

most farmers and peeps out in the country have several guns. rifles and shotguns actually have a proper purpose. handguns have just one useless one, killing people, that's why the law is like that in the UK. we're quite happy with it.

you guys seem to be happy with your laws too, and so if we're both happy, i don't see why you guys have a problem with people who don't really want loads of gun toting wackos out on the street.

it's a silly argument because both sides are right. but if we're all happy, why is there a problem?

I wasn't saying that I had any problem with our or your gun laws, I was just putting out the info that here in the states they do do a back ground check on you if you want a hang gun.  I agree that a hand gun has only one purpose and thats to kill people, this is one of the reasons you guys have such a low homicide rate.  I would gladly trade in my rights to own a hand gun if we could get a homicide rate comparable to yours, I do love to use hand guns at the shooting range, especially since a car accident I was in left me unable to use my right arm, so the only guns I can really shoot are hand guns, but I would give that up and be happy with only being able to own rifles & shotguns to defend my home if it meant that fewer fellow Americans would lose there life's due to hand gun violence.  I feel that if it saved even just one innocent life it would be worth it.

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Originally posted by lazs2
I care enough about my fellow man to let them have choices in their life which is more than I can say for you.   You are happy letting them risk their lives on a daily basis in an extremely dangerous lifestyle with almost no chance to get out... ruined by crime and ruined by a system you support.

I allow them to make choices and go in with their eyes open.. you want it all hidden... you are the one who doesn't care.   Your selfishness probly got you into the mess in the first place and it will probly be your excuse to go back.

most heroin addicts do you know... they come up with an excuse.. "poor me"  cat died.. whatever.   they are clean.. that part is easy... they simply choose... law or no law.. to go back to the scum bag life they led.   they don't mind stealing and destroying others lives to do it either... they make that decision when they are stone cold sober.. and... they have no problem getting loaded again just as before.. so long as they can steal enough money to pay.

yeah... its me that is the cold hearted one... right..  I never met a junkie who cared about his fellow man unless there was something in it for him.   A junkie can't be trusted even when he is clean...  not for at least ten years... maybe more.

You want to lecture me on "caring"?   tell it to someone who doesn't know better.. do the junkie con on someone else.   I seen it enough already and am not interested.  

sorry if you are one of the few who is different but... from your posts.. I can't see it.   Looks just like deja vu... well.... all over again.

lazs

Are you really this insane or are you just putting on an act to start arguments?

Yeah your right letting them have as much of the drug as they want by making it legal and cheap so they end up overdosing would be the better way to go about this countries drug problem.

And where do you get this idea that if it were made legal there would be absolutely no increase in the number of users?

And to say that getting clean is the easy part, then you really have no idea what it's like to actually be addicted to a drug like heroin, coke, or meth and I really hope that you never do because I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.  And to actually say to me that I will probably go back to using again shows just how much you care about your fellow man, thats just really evil man, really evil.

[Major Biggles]

i was really talking to lazs trax. you're quite reasonable, but to me it seems that lazs finds everyone against widespread handgun useage to be crazy.

lazs definitely seems fond of his shooter

[Bucky73]

I you think this game involves a "skill" in any way your off your rocker.


It's a game.....your not a real pilot if your "good" at it.

My friend and I used to play alot of nintendo64 007 and he was usually stoned off his *** but he would still kick my butt. Unfortunately though, that still doesn't mean he's a super spy.


Priceless

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Bucky73

I you think this game involves a "skill" in any way your off your rocker.  

Hand eye coordination is a skill!  Sorry, bud!

[Major Biggles]

come on bucky, this game needs skill and experience, more than almost any other game i know of