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Offline Zazen13

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« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2007, 10:35:49 AM »
I'm "superb" (15%+) which makes sense, as I hold gunnery in very high esteem. I never vulch, or fly tater slingers so that isn't the reason. In a MA packed with people gunnery is perhaps the most important skill, so as to kill as quickly as possible. Next would be SA, then the actual flying skill itself...

I agree the stats are interesting. I did a similar breadown a while back for my own amusement and got exactly the same average 3-4 years ago. From my own subjective observations I will say that the vast majority of people I run into are definately spray n' prayers which would account for the low average hit %. Then there's the folks who shoot at ground stuff in fighter mode. As a rule of thumb I will always score as attack if there's a chance the sortie will take me near the enemy's field, solving that dilemma. But, then again those that vulch want to be in fighter mode for the vulchfest...
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« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2007, 10:41:56 AM »
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well im superb,i got a 15.56.And i do for about 80% of the time fly american fighers and use .50cals.


Vans the only reason your Hit % is that high is cause in fighter mode all you do is cherry pick afk targets or people already in fights.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2007, 11:09:46 AM »
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dumping ammo weight does help plane performance even if only in small fractions.


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« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2007, 11:49:43 AM »
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I just took a look at and it they do match. Ingame .score shows 7.562 %, score page 7.56%.

Actually Lusche it is different when you look up your score in game, when you goto roster and click on your score the decimal point is in the wrong place so your hit percentage looks alot lower then it is.  So if you have a hit percentage of 7.562% it looks something like .007562% in game.
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« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2007, 11:53:31 AM »
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...In a MA packed with people gunnery is perhaps the most important skill, so as to kill as quickly as possible...


Agreed - my cr@p gunnery is the single biggest factor in my decidedly average scoring tour after tour.

I just cannot turn good positions into quick kills with any regularity.

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« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2007, 11:54:52 AM »
If you "superb" guys had a "sure fire" <---- pune intended..... way to teach good gunnery, you could make some good money. I know I'd be happy to pay for that !

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« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2007, 12:14:07 PM »
Hmm, consistantly in the good range here... I guess I need a little more work.
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« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2007, 12:21:10 PM »
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Losing 40lbs on a 10,000lb machine won't help you. If that were the case, Fw190 pilots would fire off 400 of their 20mm rounds, saving FAR more than the cowling MG weight would save them, and still allowing them enough ammo for many kills.

If that were the case, spit pilots would ONLY fly at 25% fuel, get 1 kill, and RTB for more fuel.


At a certain point, saving weight is useless.

Firing off the lesser guns to save weight is beyond useless, especially in the heavier planes.



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please, either of you, show me where i said i dump ammo or where i said it makes a HUGE difference.......


it makes A difference, that is what i said, and that is what is true.






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« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2007, 12:25:30 PM »
My hit percentage depends on how the plane I'm shooting flies.

I have a Logitech 3D Extreme and if it's a straight 6'oc shot I miss like crazy.

If it's a deflection shot, where I'm pulling back on the stick, I'm okay.
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« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2007, 12:43:40 PM »
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If you "superb" guys had a "sure fire" <---- pune intended..... way to teach good gunnery, you could make some good money. I know I'd be happy to pay for that !


I can only speak for myself. Part of the secret is simply shooting less! Don't fire at extreme ranges, and only do short bursts. Usually I fire only 1/2 sec bursts when attacking fighters. In planes like the 109F, where you need a bit more time on target due to low lethality of it's gun package, I try to fire at D200 or less. Also I tend to avoid pure 6 oclock shots, slight deflection shots work much better for me because of the bigger target profile.

Taking a view from a victim's perspective, I am way more worried about a con at D600 on my six that is NOT shooting than about one who is bazing away...
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« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2007, 02:03:49 PM »
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Also I tend to avoid pure 6 oclock shots, slight deflection shots work much better for me because of the bigger target profile.



That's exactly right. I too hate pure 6 shots. I fly only planes with good nose low deflection view just so I can shoot planes that are turning without it being a "blind" shot. That is one big reason I went back to shooting with tracers on, I actually want the guy to see them and break...
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« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2007, 02:37:04 PM »
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please, either of you, show me where i said i dump ammo or where i said it makes a HUGE difference.......


it makes A difference, that is what i said, and that is what is true.

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Nowhere did you say YOU dumped ammo and nowhere did I imply you dumped ammo BUT the bit YOU omitted was

It don't matter a RATS ARSE

Perpetuate the myth why don't ya.  I'll tell you this though.  I fly a spit 100% + drops and I fight it until the drop is empty.  Same goes for me Hurri 2C  100% + drops.  Rarely do I jettison the drops until empty.  Surely fuel weighs more than ammo.
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« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2007, 02:54:44 PM »
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Include those that believe the myths of emptying out BB's because the plane handles better:rolleyes:


There are other reasons for dumping the bb's, but you know all so I assume you know what they are :)

edit: just noticed you never fly the A5, maybe you should try it to understand the fuel distribution and CoG issues 1800 rounds of bb's makes.
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« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2007, 03:02:08 PM »
I prefer to empty my BB's into enemies. And don't say you can shoot nobody down with them...
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« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2007, 03:08:11 PM »
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It don't matter a RATS ARSE

Perpetuate the myth why don't ya.  I'll tell you this though.  I fly a spit 100% + drops and I fight it until the drop is empty.  Same goes for me Hurri 2C  100% + drops.  Rarely do I jettison the drops until empty.  Surely fuel weighs more than ammo.



congratualtions! you just made a tit of yourself.

im glad you could show us your methods for fuel consumption, and somehow think it relates to an ammo weight issue. If i ever want to fly like you, which is doubtfull, i will take your advice.

now, in layman's terms for the mentally challenged.....


the weight you carry plays a part in the performance of the aircraft.

ammo = weight


to say it is a myth that having less ammo reduces weight and therefore improves performance, is comical.

but then for your style of flying, Lynx, i expect it does not 'matter a rat's arse'
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