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« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2007, 03:40:40 PM »
Well, this is funny actually.  I see people dumping the BBs from a spit in the DA thinking it will make a difference.  I've seen people dumping some of the P51 50 cals to get an edge.  Then you have the people plaing with their trim in the midle of the fight etc.  Trust me, it wont help you.  

Maybe in real life it made a difference.  Here it does not or it is so small that you wont notice it.  I always fly with 50% fuel in the DA.  Guess what, makes no difference.  The fight is lost or won in the first few seconds and the variables that come into play are so many that a few lbs of ammo really don't matter.

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« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2007, 03:41:16 PM »
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If you "superb" guys had a "sure fire" <---- pune intended..... way to teach good gunnery, you could make some good money. I know I'd be happy to pay for that !


My gunnery at the end of each tour varies from 10% to 14%.  There are some basic factors involved.
1) Tight convergence.  I'll use 250 to a max of 300 depending on the plane i.e spits are all set to 250 with all guns.  P51, P47 50 Cals I set 275  F6F I set 300.  Yaks I put the cannon out 25 yards longer than the other guns.  These seem to work for me.
2) Up close and personal when shooting.  Much prefer to be in 200 range but will shoot at 400 into 200.  Hate shooting beyond 400 but if it's a sitting duck I may have a go. Bombers you can hardly miss so I'll be firing at 600 in a fast close.
3) The bouncy stick.  What a complete pisser it is if you can't get ride of the bounce.  There's lots of sticks out there but all I can say to maybe help is "DEAD BAND"....good look with that.

Once you have the basics sorted it's very much down to when and when not to shoot.  Ideal shot is large profile close in 200 or less when the con is turning.  My favourite shot is a high G under nose lead shot in a spit but that's just me.  I consider level 6 chasing a hard or ammo expending shot unless their not aware of you, in which case it's a sitter.  I'll force or wait for a cons profile on the whole but that's easier said than done when it's 2 or 3 on 1, so SNAP shots have to be perfected.  Only experience is going to aford you that skill.

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« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2007, 04:24:16 PM »
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well im superb,i got a 15.56.And i do for about 80% of the time fly american fighers and use .50cals.
50 cals and MG's are easy to high hit %, nothing special.
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« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2007, 04:29:26 PM »
What some of you fail to realize is this.   Who cares, if you get shot down by a "crappy pilot", is he really "crappy"?   Or is it the person getting shot down that is "crappy"?  

The amount of arrogance by some in here is pathetic.   Some of you are "self-righteous and arrogant to begin with" which tells me that you are in need of help in other aspects of life.    

I don't understand why some threads are started in this manner.   Why not just come out and say what you REALLY want to say "A lot of you suck, and wish you were as good as me."    At least, you'd show a little integrity by not hiding behind 50 lbs of manure, and trying to save face at the same time.

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« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2007, 04:31:24 PM »
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If you "superb" guys had a "sure fire" <---- pune intended..... way to teach good gunnery, you could make some good money. I know I'd be happy to pay for that !


Don't shoot until you're sure of the kill. :)

And as for BBs being able to kill- if I can take out B-17s with a pair of .50s or an F4U and a TBM with a pair of 7.7s, don't tell me BBs aint lethal if you can actually hit something important. Just gotta aim for the pilot or the fuel tank. :)
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« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2007, 04:34:08 PM »
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What some of you fail to realize is this.   Who cares, if you get shot down by a "crappy pilot", is he really "crappy"?   Or is it the person getting shot down that is "crappy"?  

The amount of arrogance by some in here is pathetic.   Some of you are "self-righteous and arrogant to begin with" which tells me that you are in need of help in other aspects of life.    

I don't understand why some threads are started in this manner.   Why not just come out and say what you REALLY want to say "A lot of you suck, and wish you were as good as me."    At least, you'd show a little integrity by not hiding behind 50 lbs of manure, and trying to save face at the same time.

Flame away.


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« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2007, 04:34:52 PM »
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What some of you fail to realize is this.   Who cares, if you get shot down by a "crappy pilot", is he really "crappy"?   Or is it the person getting shot down that is "crappy"?  

The amount of arrogance by some in here is pathetic.   Some of you are "self-righteous and arrogant to begin with" which tells me that you are in need of help in other aspects of life.    

I don't understand why some threads are started in this manner.   Why not just come out and say what you REALLY want to say "A lot of you suck, and wish you were as good as me."    At least, you'd show a little integrity by not hiding behind 50 lbs of manure, and trying to save face at the same time.

Flame away.


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Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2007, 05:04:07 PM »
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What some of you fail to realize is this.   Who cares, if you get shot down by a "crappy pilot", is he really "crappy"?   Or is it the person getting shot down that is "crappy"?  

The amount of arrogance by some in here is pathetic.   Some of you are "self-righteous and arrogant to begin with" which tells me that you are in need of help in other aspects of life.    

I don't understand why some threads are started in this manner.   Why not just come out and say what you REALLY want to say "A lot of you suck, and wish you were as good as me."    At least, you'd show a little integrity by not hiding behind 50 lbs of manure, and trying to save face at the same time.

Flame away.




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« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2007, 05:16:56 PM »
Lusche I would find your research very interesting if you could eliminate bomber kills in the hit% category.

Going after buffs in 50cal planes is the easiest way to raise your hit %  

If we had stats from pure fighter to fighter kills im confident the %'s would be even lower.
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« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2007, 05:17:29 PM »
Under a bridge, I suspect, waiting for people to pass over before hopping out and scaring them.....



What? I didn't say it!

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« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2007, 05:29:59 PM »
Batfink me ol fruit you said

dumping ammo weight does help plane performance even if only in small fractions.

please, either of you, show me where i said i dump ammo or where i said it makes a HUGE difference....... it makes A difference, that is what i said, and that is what is true.

To which I said

It don't matter a RATS ARSE

A paltry amount of ammo weight ain't worth Jack watermelon when it comes down to it.  Your either going to get shot down or your doing the shooting down. I for one would prefer to go into a fight fully tooled up mate.  Nothing worse than running outta ammo when you have the edge especially, I would imagine, if you pissed the ammo away needlessly.:rolleyes:

Half the folks reading this will take it that you mean pissing ammo away does indeed give an edge.  Like I said you carry on punting the myth.  It'll make no difference to me.  :D

As for my analogy of being loaded to the gunnel's with fuel.  One would think fuel weighs more than ammo.  Now I'm aware I'm not the best in here but I'll wager I hold me own.  So I must be at a clear disadvantage every time I up with 100% + drops + all me bleedin ammo.:rolleyes:

I must be easy prey for those guys with just 30% fuel left and half their ammo.  Just putting about ruling the roost they are.....yer right.

So are you advocating blowing ammo gives you an edge because if so I say here's something for your pipe It don't matter a RATS ARSE.  Smoke that.

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« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2007, 06:00:01 PM »
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Lusche I would find your research very interesting if you could eliminate bomber kills in the hit% category.

Going after buffs in 50cal planes is the easiest way to raise your hit %  

If we had stats from pure fighter to fighter kills im confident the %'s would be even lower.


I agree. Sadly, we don't have any way to examine hit percentages seperately. That's why I said we have to be careful with interpretations, especially regarding to individual pilots.

One can, however, watch his own hit% over time. I do examine my own stats carefully (but still just for fun). And I have found that my hit% vs fighters is varying between 8% and 12% when flying standard late war rides like Tempest, D9, P51. My overall hit% is gretly boosted by killing buffs.
When I was flying the 109F exculsively for two weeks, then hit% went up to >20%, a result of going close & personal, instead of taking long range high deflection shots in a high speed monster like the Tempest.

I almost regret putting in the second graphic. It was meant a bit tongue-in-cheeck. As I have stated before I made those categories up, but some people seem to take that a tad too serious. My focus was lying on providing some statistical data, not providing reasons for some "mine is bigger than yours" like banter.
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« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2007, 06:52:55 PM »
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A paltry amount of ammo weight ain't worth Jack watermelon when it comes down to it.  Your either going to get shot down or your doing the shooting down. I for one would prefer to go into a fight fully tooled up mate.  Nothing worse than running outta ammo when you have the edge especially, I would imagine, if you pissed the ammo away needlessly.:rolleyes:

Half the folks reading this will take it that you mean pissing ammo away does indeed give an edge.  Like I said you carry on punting the myth.  It'll make no difference to me.  :D
 


It makes no difference to you because of your primary ride. In some rides in makes a difference, the 190A5 in particular has far better performance with the aft tank half gone and the bb's emptied. I fly it in the 2 x 20mm configuration, and with that I can give a lot of spits a run for their money in knife fights.

There are many planes in AH which have CoG's that can be tweaked by fuel and ammo loading, and this can have a marked performance on flight,especially when you push things to the edge of the envelope.

It is not a myth, perhaps you think it is because you spend little time in such planes?

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« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2007, 07:06:51 PM »
Nice thread , some of us "care" about how we shoot , and have worked hard at it and I'll tell you why .

My Dad ( who is gone now ) was a real rifeman . He shot all his life in Alan P Goodrich Rife & Pistol Club . He made shots hunting that I couldn't believe possible . To help me remember him better I have in this silly game tried my best to shoot the very best I can . I have had alot of nice comments about my shooting in the past and it makes me feel good and remember my Dad .

So Karyra "I don't understand why some threads are started in this manner." maybe this will help you understand .

I don't see  Lusche running off at all , plus he's been wonderfull help on the AH Training board plus others .
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« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2007, 07:12:46 PM »
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What some of you fail to realize is this.   Who cares, if you get shot down by a "crappy pilot", is he really "crappy"?   Or is it the person getting shot down that is "crappy"?  

The amount of arrogance by some in here is pathetic.   Some of you are "self-righteous and arrogant to begin with" which tells me that you are in need of help in other aspects of life.    

I don't understand why some threads are started in this manner.   Why not just come out and say what you REALLY want to say "A lot of you suck, and wish you were as good as me."    At least, you'd show a little integrity by not hiding behind 50 lbs of manure, and trying to save face at the same time.

Flame away.


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