He 177 A-5 heavy bomber

[Bronk]

Don't have to stalk you. Your the most predictable whiner yet. Go to any bomber thread and there you are with the about how we are all stupid for not voting in the A-26(The plane that single handedly won the war:rolleyes: ) .

Get the F over it already.

Ohh and I think the He 177 would be a fine addition. Since HT don't model malfunctioning engines.

Bronk

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Bronk
Don't have to stalk you. Your the most predictable whiner yet. Go to any bomber thread and there you are with the about how we are all stupid for not voting in the A-26(The plane that single handedly won the war:rolleyes: ) .

Get the F over it already.

Bronk

I argued for the 'Vader sure, but I'd have been just as happy with the G.55, P-39 (as a Lend Lease in Russian plane set), Ki-44, J2M, Pe-2,maybe the Yak-3 if in game performance numbers were different enough from current Yaks, and possibly the Me-410 (depending on the variant) from the list.  I'd also would love to see the German 88mm FlaK36 and the He-177.   Even a G conversion to the Stuka.  
Any would be different from the norm and a fun change of pace.

Another medium American bomber?  Ho hum.  And from what I've seen in the arena text and posted in these boards, I still believe most online players voted for it due to name recognition above all else, and many players have some weird ideas of what kind of plane and capabilities they will be getting in the end.  

So, I continue to make digs on the plane.  The first two months after 2.11 release ought to be fun.

[Bronk]

And given the choice between just the A-26 vs B-25 . I'd have voted for the B-25.
Not because of what you call name recognition. But for the simple fact this AC flew in practically all theaters of operation.  Can your better than sliced bread A-26 make the same claim?
The scenario opportunities in which to use the 25 are staggering.
I can't wait for my work to slow down so I can once again fly FSO. Hopefully the B-25 will be added by then.


So I will continue to call you a whiner/sore loser.

Good day

Bronk

[Movie]

Originally posted by TwinBoom

 this 1 was captured

Specifications (He 177 A-5)
General characteristics
Crew: 5
Length: 22 m (72 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 31,44 m (103 ft 1 in)
Height: 6,7 m (21 ft)
Wing area: 101.5 m² (1,092 ft²)
Empty weight: 16,800 kg (37,000 lb)
Loaded weight: 31,000 kg (68,340 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Daimler-Benz DB 610 (twin DB 605) 24-cylinder liquid-cooled inline engines, 2,950 hp (2,170 kW) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 565 km/h at 6,100 m (350 mph at 21,000 ft)
Combat radius: 1.540 km (960 mi)
Ferry range: 5,600 km (3,200 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,400 m (30,800 ft)
Wing loading: 319.9 kg/m² (65.6 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 110 W/kg (0.067 hp/lb)
Armament
2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannon
3 x MG 131 machine gun
3 x MG 81 machine gun
up to 7,200 kg of bombs or two guided missiles Henschel Hs 293 or Fritz X

Why do ppl go to wikipedia time and again!!! going there is pretty retarded:rofl unreliable source too

[TwinBoom]

Originally posted by Movie
Why do ppl go to wikipedia time and again!!! going there is pretty retarded:rofl unreliable source too

this is a paid members forum ur negative comments are over looked

playing h2h...free

playing main ...14.95

having a subscription and a voice....pricless

[OOZ662]

Nowhere (except from the "Paying Members FTW!!11!!1!!" crowd) have I heard a statement like that.

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Bronk
And given the choice between just the A-26 vs B-25 . I'd have voted for the B-25.  Not because of what you call name recognition. But for the simple fact this AC flew in practically all theaters of operation.  Can your better than sliced bread A-26 make the same claim?
The scenario opportunities in which to use the 25 are staggering.
I can't wait for my work to slow down so I can once again fly FSO. Hopefully the B-25 will be added by then.

So I will continue to call you a whiner/sore loser.

Good day

Bronk

My "better than sliced bread" A26 flew in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Bay of Pigs, Indonesia, Africa, and El Salvador, among other war zones.  It replaced the A-20, B-25, and B26.  I didn't argue for it for it's widespread or early use in WWII, but as a second perk-worthy high performance medium bomber/attack bomber/fighter bomber to add to the game besides the Arado for buff drivers to spend their perks on.

The He-177 would also be an acceptable perk sink in the game, in addition to adding to the much smaller Axis plane set, and a second heavy buff to the Axis set.

The "scenario opportunities" argument is growing weak.  At the current rate, the vast Allied plane selection will have few opponents in the Axis to pit against them in those supposed scenarios.  
Outside of the Spit/109 lineup revision in 11/2005 ver 2.06 (added G-14, changed G-10 to K4), the Axis haven't had a brand new addition to the game since the Ki-84 in 11/2004 ver 2.01.  The last three add on's, as well as the next one, are all American rides.  Prior to the Spit/109 revision, 4 of 6 additions were American.  

The Allies have 5, and soon 6, land based medium bombers and attack planes to the Axis 4 plus a jet that rarely sees scenario use if ever.
The Allies have 3 heavy bombers to the Axis 1.
The Allies have 10 Carrier based planes to the Axis 4.  
The Allies will have 46 aircraft and 9 vehicles to the Axis 28 aircraft and 3 vehicles.  
So the "scenario opportunities" tends to be very one sided, and very much limited to the American fronts only.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by tedrbr
My "better than sliced bread" A26 flew in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Bay of Pigs, Indonesia, Africa, and El Salvador, among other war zones.  It replaced the A-20, B-25, and B26.  I didn't argue for it for it's widespread or early use in WWII, but as a second perk-worthy high performance medium bomber/attack bomber/fighter bomber to add to the game besides the Arado for buff drivers to spend their perks on.

The He-177 would also be an acceptable perk sink in the game, in addition to adding to the much smaller Axis plane set, and a second heavy buff to the Axis set.

The "scenario opportunities" argument is growing weak.  At the current rate, the vast Allied plane selection will have few opponents in the Axis to pit against them in those supposed scenarios.  
Outside of the Spit/109 lineup revision in 11/2005 ver 2.06 (added G-14, changed G-10 to K4), the Axis haven't had a brand new addition to the game since the Ki-84 in 11/2004 ver 2.01.  The last three add on's, as well as the next one, are all American rides.  Prior to the Spit/109 revision, 4 of 6 additions were American.  

The Allies have 5, and soon 6, land based medium bombers and attack planes to the Axis 4 plus a jet that rarely sees scenario use if ever.
The Allies have 3 heavy bombers to the Axis 1.
The Allies have 10 Carrier based planes to the Axis 4.  
The Allies will have 46 aircraft and 9 vehicles to the Axis 28 aircraft and 3 vehicles.  
So the "scenario opportunities" tends to be very one sided, and very much limited to the American fronts only.

  Fist since this is a WWII based game every thing after that is irrelevant. Say good bye to that strawman.
Next, what it adds to scenarios is a more balance in the fact that it's easier to catch than the 26 which is the usual sub. Ever try to run down a 26 in say a zeke?
 Rationalize it any way you want. The community is getting exactly what it wanted.


Bronk

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Bronk
The community is getting exactly what it wanted.

Right.  A CV-spawnable, medium bomber that can smite tanks and level towns with one shot of it's mighty 75mm.
 
The members in the forum are, in general, well above average in their knowledge of WWII history and aircraft.   The online player base... not quite as much, especially among the more casual and newer players.  Just the way group dynamics work, especially in online gaming.  Also how name recognition works, and the B-25 had that going for it more than the rest.
If you polled the online player community about what it thought it was "getting" in the B-25, you'd get a lot of different answers.

[Bronk]

Since only a small % post on the bbs and most are knowledgeable. I'd say that same ratio would carry over to the game.  Just because people don't post doesn't make them uniformed. Hell, most of my squad doesn't post, and we have an exnavy  pilot. Is he uninformed ?
This is a niche game, most who play it are ww2 AC enthusiast (to some degree). So your uninformed bs doesn't fly with me.



Ohh still don't change the fact that ....
A. You are a bad loser.
B. You whine more than a 4 year when they don't get their way.


Bronk

[Movie]

sweet plane tho

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Bronk
  quote:  Originally posted by tedrbr

....I was thinking the same thing about ted.......

....Don't have to stalk you. Your the most predictable whiner yet. Go to any bomber thread and there you are with the   about how we are all stupid for not voting in the A-26(The plane that single handedly won the war   ) .

Get the F over it already.....

.....So I will continue to call you a whiner/sore loser.
Good day........

.....Rationalize it any way you want. The community is getting exactly what it wanted....

.....Ohh still don't change the fact that ....
A. You are a bad loser.
B. You whine more than a 4 year when they don't get their way.....

Bronk

 

Well, thanks for your well thought out and eloquently presented adult argument during this thread hijack.  You show great insight and present excellent points.  You are an incredibly sensitive man, who inspires joy-joy feelings in all those around you.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled He-177 thread.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by tedrbr
Apparently it is an uber-plane.... and Ben flew it.  All we need to know.

Umm who started what thread hijack?


Bronk

Edit: Its real hard to look back at the relevant point I put up. So just keep editing out the stuff you don't like, Mr strawman.

[Movie]

how about this Tupolev Tu-4....

Soviet B-29 wanna be

[RAIDER14]

TU-4 never say service in ww2........I think