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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #120 on: August 04, 2007, 06:48:03 PM »
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Hehe, this might catch fire, but the fact remains that wherever the USSR hardware on wings met western hardware on wings, the USSR hardware was the underdog, - statistically.


Yeah. "UN" fighters shot down more MiGs that were deployed by USSR, DPRK and PLA.

Keeep on preaching.

When I read 64th IAK combat logs - it\s like superhumen flying superplanes shooting  down B-29s, sabres or F-80s.

My Uncle got 4 kills in Vietnam. S-75 targeting officer.

Keep believing that Soviet hardware is obsolete. Just until you'll hear  a sonic boom from Tu-22M3 over Iceland.

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« Reply #121 on: August 04, 2007, 06:53:19 PM »
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The Israeli airforce did not suffer a single loss and downed 85 Syrian aircraft.
 


Lalalalala :D

Fairy tales :D

I have deep respect towards IAF, but you guys have to get real.

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« Reply #122 on: August 04, 2007, 07:05:32 PM »
:lol

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« Reply #123 on: August 04, 2007, 07:10:39 PM »
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USSR aircraft in combat have in most conflicts been shot down in more numbers than any....


LOL. B-52s burning over Hanoi. F-14s burning over Death Line in 1986. Hawkeye burning over Lebanon coast in 1983. Jewish F-15s and F-16s burning over Bekaa in 1982.

It's not our fault. We just help people who don't like being bombed into democracy.

Think about it please.

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« Reply #124 on: August 04, 2007, 07:32:42 PM »
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Lalalalala :D

Fairy tales :D

I have deep respect towards IAF, but you guys have to get real.



Did you even READ the report I posted?  It was a turkey shoot.  The Syrians were slaughtered.

What I find most hillarious is that you think the WHOLE WORLD is wrong, and you are right.  Sad mostly, but quite hillarious.

I can post sources.  
I can post MANY sources from multiple refrences.
I can post many sources from multiple refrences that are not affiliated with Israel or the United States.

You can post what?  
Lalalalala?
Personal (and quite uninformed) opinions?

I once volunteered at the Emaus Home for Autistic Children.
I once was in a debate w/ one of the children there.
They held up their end of the debate far better than you seem to be able to.
At least make an effort.
All your posts seem to do is concede to us just how misinformed you are.

(true story.  the argument was about the A-Team)
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« Reply #125 on: August 04, 2007, 07:42:38 PM »
LOL. Jupiter, You are angry. :D

Soviet S-200 brigade shot down a Hawkeye, that played on Your side. Shot it down on maximum distance, 250km.

Think whatever You want - but Syrians traded 1x1. With Soviet SAMs it was more then enough :D

LOL they have let a SAM to shoot an AWACS plane...!!!! Sour loosers!....

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« Reply #126 on: August 04, 2007, 07:55:00 PM »
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Did you even READ the report I posted?  It was a turkey shoot.  The Syrians were slaughtered.


It were YOU guys  slaughtered. And later - Tomcats and Intruders easily shot down.

It's inappropriate. That guys flying were fighting for Your country, you have to pay them some respect.

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« Reply #127 on: August 04, 2007, 08:28:44 PM »
:huh


:lol


:noid

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« Reply #128 on: August 04, 2007, 08:59:00 PM »
The Syrians did so well that the IAF had free reign over the valley and went to work taking out the tanks of a Syrian armored division.

Let Boroda believe his Fractured Fairy tales.

The truth is easily seen. Not all the Arab nations combined have the sand to take on the IAF. They've learned their lessons the hard way.
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« Reply #129 on: August 04, 2007, 09:18:02 PM »
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The Syrians did so well that the IAF had free reign over the valley and went to work taking out the tanks of a Syrian armored division.

Let Boroda believe his Fractured Fairy tales.

The truth is easily seen. Not all the Arab nations combined have the sand to take on the IAF. They've learned their lessons the hard way.


LOL.

Mr. Ingress Routes, as usual You are badly misinformed. I pity Israely pilots buried in American flying coffins. Fighting obsolete MiG-23s, being shot down BVR...

At least 2 F-15s were shot down by 21s. State-of-the-art fighters knocked off by 1958 technology :D

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« Reply #130 on: August 04, 2007, 09:55:22 PM »
Yep and if you believe that, the soviet union is alive and well and in charge of the entire world.
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« Reply #131 on: August 04, 2007, 10:05:39 PM »
Let Boroda rant... it makes me laugh!

Fortunately, if he get his head up his bellybutton any farther, he won't need to have a colonoscopy.
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« Reply #132 on: August 04, 2007, 10:25:11 PM »
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Yep and if you believe that, the soviet union is alive and well and in charge of the entire world.


I only provide You with information that You'll probably never get from your Ministry of Truth.

Soviet Union is alive - as long as I am alive. I was born in a country that doesn't exist any more, in a city that isn't there, so it goes....

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« Reply #133 on: August 04, 2007, 10:36:27 PM »
Next on Boroda's Fractured Fairy Tales:

How the Soviet-armed Arab nations won

Israeli War of Independence (1948-1949)

1956 Sinai Campaign

1967 Six-Day War

1973 Yom Kippur War

Stay tuned! It's Comedy Gold!
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« Reply #134 on: August 04, 2007, 10:39:55 PM »
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LOL.

Mr. Ingress Routes, as usual You are badly misinformed. I pity Israely pilots buried in American flying coffins. Fighting obsolete MiG-23s, being shot down BVR...

At least 2 F-15s were shot down by 21s. State-of-the-art fighters knocked off by 1958 technology :D


Odd.  So you are saying the IAF did NOT have free reign in the skies?  Funny... EVERYTHING that can be found about that conflict says otherwise.

It took Israel 10 min. to destroy 17 of the 19 SA-6 sites as well as several SA-2 and SA-3 sites.  The two remaning SA-6 sites, as well as a couple other batteries that were resupplied that night were destoyed the following day.

The IAF took NO losses during that engagment.  (they did report several planes suffered battle damage).

So all of the Soviet made SAM sites were destroyed (basically in 10min time) and the Syrian Air Force was wiped out.

This is fact.  

This isn't opinion.

It can be verified.

The RAND document I posted previously is a translation of a Soviet Air Force article.  

I guess you are tying to argue with what the Soviet Air Force said happened at the Bekka Valley.

I guess somehow you are trying to say that the IAF didn't have total and complete air superiority in the Bekka Valley.

Please provide a source.

History tells us otherwise.

(and yes Delirium, I find Boroda's post's hillarious.  I find it hard to believe he lives in THIS world)
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