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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2007, 09:45:02 AM »
and yet... somehow... we survived without the huge amounts of illegals... somehow we managed to get people who were high school or less graduates to build houses for $25-50 an hour...  somehow... 3 of them did the same job 10 illegals did..  or are you one who claims that the homes are better built with more quality now that illegals are doing it?

Kids did work and do work at denny's.    The cannery in the town next to me was at a college town... it ran seasonaly like they all do right now and it was full of housewives and kids helping to pay their education...

Take any factory and chase out the illegals and the next day all the jobs are filled with legals.

Jail the employers.. they are the problem.

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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2007, 09:49:38 AM »
why should any person or company be allowed to circumvent existing labor and wage laws?  Because illegals do NOT pay taxes other than on sales, employers dont have to pay for health benefits and many of them are receiving WIC, welfare, subsidized housing, etc.   I am a hard-core capitalist but I do not believe that my tax dollars should go into the pockets of these people because they have found a way to undercut and cheat American workers.
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« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2007, 10:01:46 AM »
rolex actually points out the problem in a backhanded way.. the employers are willing to get the labor and therfore lower the standard of living of anyone working at labor jobs.

the employers are willing to back democrats who in turn let them have illegals because people who have nothing and think they will never have anything love socialism...

The democrats make it so that not only the poor take a chunk out of everyones wages but now.. the illegals..  that services that people get that they did not pay for now go to anyone who shows up in the handout line.

If there were no welfare or free medical or free housing or any of the rest of the giveaway programs... we would not be attracting so many illegals.   we do nothing to stop employers from hiring them and then do nothing to stop them from access to all sorts of giveaway programs.

For instance.. we are told that a certain number of children in kalifornia are without medical insurance.. that we need to start a program to insure them... we are not told that the vast majority of them are either hear illegally or born to people who came here illegally.

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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2007, 10:02:36 AM »
If I have this right.....If a Mexican comes into this country Illegally...and he or she gets sick or hurt in the good ol U.S. they get health care...Hospitals have to give them health care, its the law I believe....so WHO PAYS FOR THAT??????    WE DO!!!!!!
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« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2007, 10:06:56 AM »
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Teens and college students would take those jobs if illegals didn't have them.


I agree, and saw it with my own eyes in CT, on my way back from boston last weekend.

I guess in that area, they haven't had seen the influx of illegals yet.
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« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2007, 10:43:07 AM »
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I agree, and saw it with my own eyes in CT, on my way back from boston last weekend.

I guess in that area, they haven't had seen the influx of illegals yet.


I disagree...If college kids wanted a job bad enough they could get one before the Illegal Mexicans.......The parents of these kids today are to blame for these lazy kids.......I see it time and again parents try to be kids best friends instead of parents...It ruins the kids
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2007, 11:01:11 AM »
Yes that is definitely part of the problem in certain areas.

Where i was though, it seemed like the kids were normal and hardworking and looking for there start to independence.

When i was a kid, one of my weekend jobs was as a waiter.  It was kind of discouraging to be 1 of about 5 americans surrounded by 30  mexicans.  They really made it there 2nd job there to try and get rid of us.  I can't remember how many times when one of them would start yelling at me in spanish and i'd laugh and tell them to f-off.
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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2007, 11:35:48 AM »
Its funny, both sides have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are.

Them Dems see illegals as a voting block in the future, because all minorities love handouts(or so the dems seem to think). Plus they do not want them to go away, if may increase the price of the vegetables they live on.  So they are perfectly happy to have a underclass that works for unfair wages even though they claim to care about the little guy.

The repubs just want the cheap labor cause they are greedy bastards.

The nation is being crushed between two piles of dung, the dung is the republicans and democrats.

We need a national shoot a politician day. :D

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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2007, 11:38:20 AM »
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Because illegals do NOT pay taxes other than on sales, employers dont have to pay for health benefits and many of them are receiving WIC, welfare, subsidized housing, etc.   I am a hard-core capitalist but I do not believe that my tax dollars should go into the pockets of these people because they have found a way to undercut and cheat American workers.


They do pay taxes. Employers withhold taxes and Social Security, forwarding it using false Social Security numbers provided by the illegal worker. The illegals never file for refunds and never collect the Social Security benefits. Since they don't collect, the withheld amount (tens of billions of dollars every year) is subsidizing you and other Americans. The penalty an employer would pay by playing dumb and claiming ignorance that the documents were incorrect is substantially less than not paying the withholding amount.

What motivation does the government have to stop the "free money" being deposited in government coffers, keeping in mind that the deficit would be even greater without that contribution? That is one reason you don't see much more than words and sound bites by politicians.

Look at it like a hard-core capitalist for a minute:

Except for a US passport, illegals work, pay income and sales taxes, gasoline taxes, buy cars, food, goods and services, commit crimes and can't afford health insurance just like most low to lower-middle income families. And they never get to collect the benefits from their taxes and Social Security contribution.

If they suddenly had a US passport, what would change? Tell me that.

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« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2007, 11:47:38 AM »
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They do pay taxes. Employers withhold taxes and Social Security, forwarding it using false Social Security numbers provided by the illegal worker. The illegals never file for refunds and never collect the Social Security benefits. Since they don't collect, the withheld amount (tens of billions of dollars every year) is subsidizing you and other Americans. The penalty an employer would pay by playing dumb and claiming ignorance that the documents were incorrect is substantially less than not paying the withholding amount.

What motivation does the government have to stop the "free money" being deposited in government coffers, keeping in mind that the deficit would be even greater without that contribution? That is one reason you don't see much more than words and sound bites by politicians.

Look at it like a hard-core capitalist for a minute:

Except for a US passport, illegals work, pay income and sales taxes, gasoline taxes, buy cars, food, goods and services, commit crimes and can't afford health insurance just like most low to lower-middle income families. And they never get to collect the benefits from their taxes and Social Security contribution.

If they suddenly had a US passport, what would change? Tell me that.
YES YES YES Becuse they would be here legally...U know there are laws in this country.:O.....Do it by the book or Don't come in the country!!
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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2007, 11:54:12 AM »
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love socialism...  
I know you do.

Have hundred jobs to fill and hundred laborers. You say that's perfect. Free market says that's BS.

At any time one can get greedy and wants more pay or else, no worky.

Market says, we need at least 101 laborers for 100 jobs to keep wages competitive. Lazs says we need artificial socialist equilibrium.

Market says we need somebody to pick fruits in California even if they're illegals because nobody else will. Really, which sane American would exchange free welfare $$ and housing for crappy and back breaking, minimum wage cherry pickin job in Dixon?

Fact is, Lazs, we became fat spoiled nation and we need somebody else to do all the low paying dirty jobs, because we won't.

If you don't like socialism, let the market sort out the problem. Change the immigration laws to support market needs. Let the capitalism have a chance.

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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2007, 11:57:59 AM »
Also...because there are so many more Lower income people...that means that there is alot more goverment money going to them......I personally know 5 people that have been in car wreaks with Illegal Mexicans.....with of course...no auto Insurance....guess who pays for that....WE DO
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« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2007, 12:13:39 PM »
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I personally know 5 people that have been in car wreaks with Illegal Mexicans...
Get out of freakin OH and come to California.

I've been here my whole life and I don't know anybody personally who'd be involved in a car accident with an illegal Mexican with no insurance.

No guarantee though. I know it happens here as well, just not as often as in Ohio. Probably not so many Mexicans here...

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« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2007, 01:37:27 PM »
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I agree, and saw it with my own eyes in CT, on my way back from boston last weekend.

I guess in that area, they haven't had seen the influx of illegals yet.


What part of CT?  Surely not New Britain, Waterbury, Hartford, or any other "major" city?
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« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2007, 01:57:50 PM »
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They do pay taxes. Employers withhold taxes and Social Security, forwarding it using false Social Security numbers provided by the illegal worker. The illegals never file for refunds and never collect the Social Security benefits.  



You're full of chit.  Not only do they file tax returns, many of them file returns w/ false W2's merely so they can get a refund.