Illegal Alien "contributions" To The U.s.

[Speed55]

Originally posted by Vudak
What part of CT?  Surely not New Britain, Waterbury, Hartford, or any other "major" city?

I don't really remember honestly since it was pouring... but it was a denny's at one of the rest stops along the way down south.  Maybe between 1 and 2 hours out of boston. I don't think it was a major city though.

I didn't have time to post here, otherwise i would have asked to see if anyone was interested in a get together somewhere.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Kaw1000
predominantly illegal aliens are working without a green card
 

Is this a mistake or does it mean that there are illegals with green cards?

[Elfie]

They do pay taxes. Employers withhold taxes and Social Security, forwarding it using false Social Security numbers provided by the illegal worker. The illegals never file for refunds and never collect the Social Security benefits. Since they don't collect, the withheld amount (tens of billions of dollars every year) is subsidizing you and other Americans. The penalty an employer would pay by playing dumb and claiming ignorance that the documents were incorrect is substantially less than not paying the withholding amount.

This does not apply to a lot of construction jobs. Before the illegals took over I was always paid by check without any taxes being withheld. I was considered a subcontractor and responsible for my own taxes. Last I heard, illegals held 20% of all construction jobs. That is a significant amount of unpaid taxes.

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples where illegals are essentially paid in cash.

[JB88]

as posted in another thread:

this is what they have done for my once nice clean and quiet rural neighborhood.

[Tango]

Originally posted by Rolex
Except for a US passport, illegals work, pay income and sales taxes, gasoline taxes, buy cars, food, goods and services, commit crimes and can't afford health insurance just like most low to lower-middle income families. And they never get to collect the benefits from their taxes and Social Security contribution.

Yup they do all that with stolen SSNs and end up getting loans and credit cards that end up unpaid and it ALL comes back on the citizen that OWNS that SSN. Which in turn usually puts them into trouble with collectors.

THATS another good reason to get rid of them. They commit 50% of all the crimes in this country.

[JB88]

a class action lawsuit against an employer from the private sector that ended in millions in damages would be a good first step to stemming the tide of hiring illegals.

somewhere there is a law that holds the employers financially culpable.  all one has to do is prove is damages.

once is all you need for precident.

[Hornet33]

Well not sure if you guys have heard this yet or not, but I was watching CSPAN a little while ago and evidently last night congress had a vote come up that would ALLOW illegal aliens to apply for welfare, food stamps, and government housing among some other things like the free health care they already get.

Anyway the bill failed on the vote. The Democratic leadership came back after the voting was over and decided to re open the vote so they could get it to pass!!!!!! The entire republican membership walked out. I just listened to around 20 members of congress that were pissed because the democratic leadership blatantly broke the rules of the House and on their own passed a law that REWARDS illegal aliens with US citizens tax dollars.

I've been trying to find the bill online but haven't had any luck yet, but how screwed up is that????

[Tango]

Senate will probably shot it down.

[Vad]

May I ask you a question?
You are talking about how to stop illegal immigration. You are discussing  measures like jail employers, social programs, taxes, etc.
I am an immigrant. Legal. Not in the US , in Canada but it's the same. From my, immigrant's point of view there is no way to fix the problem with those who are already on US soil. You can cut them from the legal or half-legal job - you will get
jump of crimes.
But the question is: what is stopping you from the closing borders? What is the problem with that?  60 years we had iron curtain, and even mouse couldn't come  through without passport. From the both sides, by the way. And length of that curtain was much more than US-Mexico border.
Why don't you just secure that desert?

PS: I have no shadow of intention to teach you or flame or bait or whatever you call that. I really don't understand what is the problem to secure the borders. It would be much cheaper than pay welfare.

[Tango]

Vad, most in this country want the borders secured. The problem is we have wacko politians that think we need the illegals.

As for the crime issue, half the crime commited here is by illegals. How do I know? I know someone who is an ICE agent.

[Vad]

Originally posted by Tango
Vad, most in this country want the borders secured. The problem is we have wacko politians that think we need the illegals.

As for the crime issue, half the crime commited here is by illegals. How do I know? I know someone who is an ICE agent.

That politicians are federal? Or local sheriffs?
I see interest in illegal workers for local and small business. I don't understand the interest of big corporation to have illegal workers. But federal and even state governments feed by big corporations. When you are talking about politicians who are interested in illegal workers I can imagine only local politicians who have some benefits from lawn cut business. I don't think that governor of California or US President have any interest in dish wash business.
But borders are secured by federals. Do you see discrepancy here?

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Vad
That politicians are federal? Or local sheriffs?
I see interest in illegal workers for local and small business. I don't understand the interest of big corporation to have illegal workers. But federal and even state governments feed by big corporations. When you are talking about politicians who are interested in illegal workers I can imagine only local politicians who have some benefits from lawn cut business. I don't think that governor of California or US President have any interest in dish wash business.
But borders are secured by federals. Do you see discrepancy here?

You wouldn't think so, but...

There is some evidence to show that the Government is willing to punish severely anyone who doesn't act to regulations as tightly as possible.  The evidence of this goes all the way up to George Bush, his ties to appointing the DA who charged the two border patrol agents on suspect testimony from a drug smuggler, and then on back to Bush's absolute refusal to pardon the two agents, much less commute their sentences.

Basically, it shows a conspiracy to punish anyone who guards the border.  Thus making the agents refuse to perform their job for fear of retribution making the border even more porous.

[Vad]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
You wouldn't think so, but...

There is some evidence to show that the Government is willing to punish severely anyone who doesn't act to regulations as tightly as possible.  The evidence of this goes all the way up to George Bush, his ties to appointing the DA who charged the two border patrol agents on suspect testimony from a drug smuggler, and then on back to Bush's absolute refusal to pardon the two agents, much less commute their sentences.

Basically, it shows a conspiracy to punish anyone who guards the border.  Thus making the agents refuse to perform their job for fear of retribution making the border even more porous.

Ok, I acknowledge that I'm idiot.

May be it was wrong idea to get into this thread. Sorry. I honestly didn't understand anything, now I understand even less.

[storch]

from my perspective the local law enforcement does nothing to enforce federal law.  perhaps it's a problem of overlapping jurisdiction and professional rivalries within the various departments but I have asked the law enforcement people I know in my town if they will enforce immigration law and the response is that they run the guys driver's license if it comes back as valid they get cited for whatever infraction if not they go to the county jail to get booked for whatever charges and they don't much care about immigration status.  I'm almost certain that perhaps 50% of the workforce in my area of town is here illegally from mexico and central america.

the big story on the news here is about a colombian family here illegally since 1992.  they own a home and are all employed (let that sink in, they own their own home)  they somehow got found out and after going through the process they were ordered to be deported and were arrested at their home.  their friends and supporters mounted such a media campaign that the congressional reps from two districts petitioned the president to allow them a stay until such a time as new laws could be presented in congress to change their status.  as I understand it they have been granted a temporary reprieve.

I haven't been following the story too closely so I may have some errors in what I have typed here.  the guys in the shop are all involved because all of them were here illegally at one point or another and probably have family members who still are and this is where I have gotten the gist of this story.

my question is how can you enforce a law that a good percentage of the population does not want enforced?  in this particular case there was probably enough pressure placed on two representatives by their constituancy to get them to respond rapidly.

immigration policy may well be the issue that creates a rift within our society and could be the beginning of greater social problems on down the road a way.  

I believe that in the not too distant future we will see further relaxation on the borders and perhaps an economic unification of all of north america and the caribbean basin probably modelled after the EU.  lamentably the cost of this unification will be bourne by the united states and canadian tax payers as we drag mexico and the caribbean kicking and screaming into the twentyfirst century.


flame away.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Vad
Ok, I acknowledge that I'm idiot.

May be it was wrong idea to get into this thread. Sorry. I honestly didn't understand anything, now I understand even less.

Well, to sum up...

Bush on the surface demoted this one attorney from a position in his cabinet to a DA in Texas.  Now, this either was an actual demotion, or he was placed there with purpose and intent.

This one case comes along where border patrol agents are chasing a drug smuggler near the border.  The drug smuggler goes to shoot at them, but he gets shot first when the agents reacted to being threatened.  The smuggler gets shot in the side of the butt cheek.

Everyone shows up, takes evidence...  The  agent's supervisor was there, so they tell him what happened, then thought they didn't have to file a report because of it.

The DA then decides to prosecute on the basis that them not filing a report showed intent to cover up the shooting.  He offers immunity to the smuggler, who continued to smuggle marijuana during and after the trial, on the basis that he would testify against the agents.  

The DA argues that he didn't have a gun, even though testimonies from the smuggler's family in Mexico showed that he always carried a gun.  The DA then withholds a lot more evidence and the agents get convicted and sentenced to 12 years in prison.  Afterwards when the jury is shown the withheld evidence, they said they would have never even considered convicting the agents.  Very much a Mike Nifong like situation.

When Bush is confronted in a town hall meeting about pardoning the agents, he immediately comes to the defense of the DA, even though that was not what the question was about.  This shows that the DA wasn't 'Demoted' accidentally.  

To most people, this shows that DA's would be willing to harshly over punish even the most minor procedural infraction committed by the border patrol agents.  Thus, an unfenced border suddenly becomes unprotected as the agents don't want to get prosecuted for something they might accidentally do.  And since this man was directly appointed by Bush, it could be a top level conspiracy to open the borders.