Best Prop Plane??????

[FX1]

Originally posted by AKDogg
It spanks all spits at any alt If flown right.

Try my spit 16 in the DA.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by AKDogg
It spanks all spits at any alt If flown right.

[SIK1]

Originally posted by AKDogg
It spanks all spits at any alt If flown right.

Dogg you're going to have to show me what I'm doing wrong because spits still give me fits.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by SgtPappy
Krusty does make a very good point in terms of choosing an aircraft based on what YOU like.

I think that's probably the best advice of all in here.

When I started AW, I was damn near exclusively a Hog pilot in RR PAC. That was a tough row to hoe right there. And it had nothing to do with how good or bad the plane was in relation to the other planes in the game: It was what I wanted to fly. I got my bellybutton handed to me repeatedly lol.

And just like how Panzer says the last thing he looks for in a plane is the Armament... that's the FIRST thing I look for. Different strokes and all that. I personally believe that the Yak-9T is the best plane in the set by virtue of having the best gun (personal opinion obviously). Now, if we had a Yak-9UT... sigh.

-Sik

[Saxman]

The key is to keep the fight fast, where the F4U has every advantage, or at least in a speed range where the F4U can use its flaps but the Spit can't (first notch in the F4U can be dropped at 250mph TAS). Lufberry is dicey so try to stay out of it. If the Spit flat breaks, or tries to break nose-low go nose-high instead (and I mean HIGH. hold your vertical extension longer than you would with a pure pursuit roll or high-yo yo). A notch of flaps with inside rudder to help swing the nose around will generally drop you right back down on his tail in these circumstances. This also works if he tries to pull you into a rolling scissors: Don't immediately follow his downward break. Keep extending up, keep him in view, then use the Hog's superior roll and strong rudder authority to flip over on his six (the Spit will likely have either lost visual on you, or will think you weren't sucked into the rolling scissors and will abandon it to try something else). Keep plenty of altitude to work with, so if things go bad you can nose down and dive out.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by AKDogg
I agree with sax.  The only way a corsair will work for a beginner or even a average pilot is to BnZ with it.  If they don't know how to use the flaps in it when they get 240 or slower, they will constantly wingflop/wingdrop it and will get there butt handed to them.  Spit/la7 and a few others are very forgiving unlike the corsair.  The Corsair is a better then average- expert/ace pilot plane in order to use the full potential of all the tools that the corsair has to offer.  Spit/la7 u basically fly on rails and doesn't stall out as easily as the Hogs in a knife fight.

Agreed, but at the same time, (and I'm sure you know), once you figure out the edge of the Corsair, the thing rides on rails too.

It's a fine line, but with rudder usage especially, you can have complete stability until you *don't* want it, and then you still have great command of just which way you're flopping.

Then again, every time I take a few months off, I have to spend a few weeks/months getting back to that point in a Corsair...  I find I can do just as well in a La7 with 3 month's practice or 3 day's.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by FX1
Try my spit 16 in the DA.

Having fought both of you in the MA, I'd say that'd be a great series of films.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Saxman
The key is to keep the fight fast, where the F4U has every advantage, or at least in a speed range where the F4U can use its flaps but the Spit can't (first notch in the F4U can be dropped at 250mph TAS). Lufberry is dicey so try to stay out of it. If the Spit flat breaks, or tries to break nose-low go nose-high instead (and I mean HIGH. hold your vertical extension longer than you would with a pure pursuit roll or high-yo yo). A notch of flaps with inside rudder to help swing the nose around will generally drop you right back down on his tail in these circumstances. This also works if he tries to pull you into a rolling scissors: Don't immediately follow his downward break. Keep extending up, keep him in view, then use the Hog's superior roll and strong rudder authority to flip over on his six (the Spit will likely have either lost visual on you, or will think you weren't sucked into the rolling scissors and will abandon it to try something else). Keep plenty of altitude to work with, so if things go bad you can nose down and dive out.

Please dont get offended by this, but you are kiding right? Equal E states equal pilots and you will try what you described Vs a Spit 9 for example?  It will eat you alive.  Not to mention your assumption of him losing you because you went nose up
Don't confuse killing newbes with some magic powers of an airplane.  BTW, the F4U turns extremly good.  Good nuff to stay with the spit for a few turns but you try what you described, you are dead.

[FX1]

It will hold it own at speed with the spit. At high speed it will turn better than the spit. The problem is when you get down to real speed, were most kills are made "80-225mph"

At those speeds the f4u4 high speed flaps dont matter and after the spit deploys its flaps it just a matter of time.

My recommendation is to kill the spit fast because the slower you get the table can turn FAST.

With the u4 50's you must hold on target that extra sec to kill. With the spit it only takes one squeeze.

I guess my point is that if it was a fight to the death "no running" i would take the spit.

[evenhaim]

Points to the 2 guys above ^
ditto

[Saxman]

Hardly kidding because I've used it successfully far more than it's failed, and not just against "n00bs." And if you read what I said, I made it clear that it was an either/or about losing visual: Either due to the position of both planes the Spit may lose sight, (and I say this based on direct comments from the opponent, not all of whom were total newbies, afterwards) OR will assume the F4U isn't falling for the rolling scissors by Immelmanning out of it, and will then try something else.

This DOES work for cases when you're the Hog pursuing the Spit, and as long as the airspeed is high enough equal energy states doesn't make as much of a difference.

FX-1: I have to disagree with you about the .50s. All it takes is a half-second burst of .50cal to wing a Spit while in convergence.

[Krusty]

Or to hit pilot, oil, gas, start a fireball, etc. Doesn't have to be catastrophic to put the enemy out of the fight. Heck, even a glancing blow on a 109 can disable its hub gun (that REALLY sucks when it happens to me in the 109F).

[bj229r]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
-4  is faster than spixteen down low.  

P47N is faster than dweeb16 down low as well, provided wep remains

[mtnman]

FX1- I am NOT attacking YOU.  I am going to use your quotes and refer to "you" in this post, but it is not directed at "you" per se.  "You" refers to a general group of people.  I respect you as a pilot and don't want you to take this the wrong way.

The top two sections refering to flaps are for you (FX1).  The rest is my feelings on a general attitude in the game...

225mph"

At those speeds the f4u4 high speed flaps dont matter.

This is precisely WHERE the flaps matter.  They start coming down at 250, 2nd notch at 225.  If the high speed flaps don't matter at high speed, where do they matter?

... and after the spit deploys its flaps it just a matter of time.

I do agree here.  A spit that drops his flaps vs the F4U is dead unless the F4U driver makes an effort to fly like a dolt.

OK FX1- This is where I diverge from directing this at you.  I'm using your quote here because it is such a popular opinion in the game.  Don't take it as an attack.

I guess my point is that if it was a fight to the death "no running" i would take the spit.

Herein lies the answer.  The spit driver DOES have a chance against the F4U if the F4U slows down and continues to try to out-turn the spit at slow speed.  This is just plain stupid, of course.  This allows the spit to use the advantages of his plane, while castrating the Hog.  It seems folks think that it's ok to insist that the other player abandon the strengths of their personal ride in favor of letting the better turning plane win.  Sad, yes, but true.  

It's perfectly ok, heck even my DUTY to fly stupid and let you kill me, right?  To use the strengths of my plane (speed, for one) and deny you yours (slow speed sustained turning ability) would be what? Strategy?  How UNFAIR!!  It would only be fair if I reverse that, and GIVE you the advantage.  Does a spit need a "gift" to kill a hog?

What the F4U pilot NEEDS to do is extend for some speed and seperation and try again.  I'm not talking about out of icon range.  2-3K is plenty.  But your "no running, to the death" statement denies that option right?

So you're really saying- "As long as the F4U pilot doesn't use the strengths of his plane or his brain to beat me, I choose the spit."

The general attitude seems to be- "You get one try, maybe two, to kill me while your plane is functioning well.  No more.  Then, when you lose your speed it's all over.  You must drive your plane the way I see fit, and allow me to pick you to death at slow speed with my big gun."

Sadly, this is obviously the predominant opinion of the low and slow crowd.  

I wonder why the slower planes so often needed such big guns.  Was it because they needed to inflict lethal damage in a fleeting opportunity against a faster plane?

Don't get me wrong- I'm not griping here.  I just have to sit back and sigh.  I'm saddened by it, not irritated.

Do you people ever compete on a level where both parties can attempt to perform at their best?

Do you allow your billiards opponent to use both hands?  Choose his own que?  Or do you get to pick.  Do you make him stick one hand in his pocket while he shoots with his crooked que, so you can amaze him with your two-handed prowess?

Do you hunt deer during the day?  Or at night with a spotlight in a fenced-in enclosure?

Do you play baseball against an "equal" team?  Or against children with broomsticks.

Sad, really, that anyone would WANT or EXPECT someone to throw them the fight.  Where do you see the "glory" of winning against an opponent who is limited by "your" perceptions of how he should fly?

You should be irritated by the people who DO fly the way you mention, not the other way around.

You can only be as good as your competition.

MtnMan

[balance1]

Amen brother, god bless you MtnMan that couldnt have been more true, if you fly against people who will fight YOUR fight thean you aint half as good as you think you are.