Best Prop Plane??????

[bozon]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Ya, it does. I guess you can't/ didn't read my post.  I've already established how it is clearly outclassed by most of it's late war contemporaries.
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As for your K4 comment... anything the pony does, the d9 does better.

I read what you wrote and I understand your sentiment. For you and your kind, if it doesn't dominate it "sux".

The D9 is perhaps the most one dimensional plane in the game. It is a cherry picker extraordinar. Very efficient in scenarios, where it is flown in a manner more resembling history. It is a poor 1 on 1 plane.

[Saxman]

Dora really isn't much more than a Buff killer. Heavy armor and very fast to run through formations, with heavy firepower to bring them down. Other than rate of roll she doesn't have much going for her in a 1v1 fight.

[Krusty]

Dora's got a glass nose. Almost no armor to speak of. Any hit from the front takes out your oil or radiator, or worse (pilot).

It's only a buff hunter because of the ammo load and speed, but not because of overwhelming firepower (like typhie or 190a8) or because of airframe strength (like f6f or il2). IMO I don't like hunting with the dora. Not worth it.

[evenhaim]

Originally posted by bozon
I read what you wrote and I understand your sentiment. For you and your kind, if it doesn't dominate it "sux".

The D9 is perhaps the most one dimensional plane in the game. It is a cherry picker extraordinar. Very efficient in scenarios, where it is flown in a manner more resembling history. It is a poor 1 on 1 plane.

id have to agree and say that co alt co e equal pilots the dora is gonna die unless he runs.

[FX1]

I would take the 51 in that fight.

[SteveBailey]

It turns slightly better than the 38J/L without flaps, and only slightly worse with flaps

No it doesn't.  And the 38L turns markedly better with flaps, not a little better.  What about the rest of the entire US fighters?  51 can't turn w/ them, isn'tt close to most of them

It outclimbs all f4us but the

Wrong again. They are nearly the same, unless you are going w/ your fractionally again.

It has better acceleration than all US planes except the F4U-4.

Dude, put down the crack pipe...WRONG again. Plus, show me an arena that is limited to just US planes. Besides i said "the 51 is decidely outclassed by its contemporaries in the LW"*, I never said anything about limiting it to US plane comparisons.  Your point is both wrong and moot.
* I'll exclude JABO.

Doesn't matter that they have a fractionally smaller ammo load,

I'm not sure you even play AHII, you are so far off base.

A P51 has a 6 gun punch through 270 rounds
The jug has an 8 gun punch through 425 rounds
f6f and corsair has 6 gun punch through 400 rounds

These planes have almost half again full punch from the pony.  If by fractionally you mean 48% more... you are correct.


Widewing, where are you?

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by evenhaim
id have to agree and say that co alt co e equal pilots the dora is gonna die unless he runs.

I don't fly the d9 much.  I'll pick the d9 pilot and I'll bet he beats you 2 out of 3.  Same goes for you, FX.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by bozon
I read what you wrote and I understand your sentiment. For you and your kind, if it doesn't dominate it "sux".

 

And  exactly... please be clear, exactly who/what are my kind?

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by Krusty
Dora's got a glass nose. Almost no armor to speak of. Any hit from the front takes out your oil or radiator, or worse (pilot).

It's only a buff hunter because of the ammo load and speed, but not because of overwhelming firepower (like typhie or 190a8) or because of airframe strength (like f6f or il2). IMO I don't like hunting with the dora. Not worth it.

Yep, Dora is poor choice for buff hunting.  The A8, BF110-G2 and even the Ta-152 with it's glass radiator make far superior choices.  

The Dora is probably the best pure B'n'Z fighter in the game though.

[Edit]  Whoops, Typhie, Temest and 163 have to be added to the buff hunter list.

[FX1]

Shawk would be a good da partner for this fight. Back in the day I think him and Gball did a couple d9 v 51 fights. Shawk E fought him but Gball won each fight.

[bozon]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
And  exactly... please be clear, exactly who/what are my kind?

The kind that cannot recover from a broken image of the plane they like. They kind that do not under stand why bother modeling less then best planes, I mean, who would fly them?

The kind that post threads such as:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=212296
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=212245
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=209622
the current thread
and many older ones

The kind that will count the bullets on the plane as you did, to show that it is at a disadvantage, ignoring the fact that it is plenty for a 6-8 kills sortie.

The kind that will ignore what is actually happening in the MA where the P51D is a very effective plane.

[DaddyAck]

Wow this thread is still alive and kicking?
(BTW I like the 190D9 and TA.152 both are excellent planes)

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by bozon
The kind that cannot recover from a broken image of the plane they like. They kind that do not under stand why bother modeling less then best planes, I mean, who would fly them?

The kind that will count the bullets on the plane as you did, to show that it is at a disadvantage, ignoring the fact that it is plenty for a 6-8 kills sortie.

The kind that will ignore what is actually happening in the MA where the P51D is a very effective plane.

LOL so your argument is..... vapor. I stated facts about ammo load and you reply w/ " your kind". Yuo tried to argue about the US plane set when I was comparing the 51 to it's LW contemporaries.  Denied.
 LOL  I think we are done here, you have nothing to support your argument against me, in fact, other than disagreeing, you didn't really have an argument.

As far as what is happening in the MA w/ 51's and plenty of 6-8 kill sorties there, well, it just shows that you should know who you are debating before making your ignorance so blatanly obvious.  I know a little bit about the 51 in the MA.

They kind that do not under stand why bother modeling less then best planes, I mean, who would fly them?

This is another foolish thing to say.  I was merely comparing planes, I never once said that the 51 modelled incorrectly with the exception of having it's turn radius w/ flaps neutered with an update.  This is fact though and I know you don't like those. With the exception of turning, as I mentioned, I haven't suggested the 51 should be better in any regard so you really have made a poor comparison by referencing those other threads.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
I don't fly the d9 much.  I'll pick the d9 pilot and I'll bet he beats you 2 out of 3.  Same goes for you, FX.

Urchin comes to mind for me.

[Krusty]

HIS argument is vapor?!??! Let's talk about YOURS... You say it's got less ammo for the guns. Okay, big WHOOP. You still have the same guns, and instead of having 400rpg like USN planes, it's got 2 guns with 400 rpg and 2 with about 300. Like Bozon said it's still enough for a large number of kills. I've landed 5+ kill sorties without rearm many times in it.

Then you're going on and on about how the 109D9 is so wonderful, and you admit you don't fly it? Where are you pulling this performance from?

I DO fly the 190D, and HAVE flown it in historic matchups and setups vs P51s. It is dominated by the pony at all alts. Speed alone means jack. The P51 does everything better than the dora.

Then you're out of touch with the P51 enough to say that it doesn't out turn ANY us plane? You say it can't accelerate? You say it can't climb? You then accuse me of smoking crack because YOU are out of touch so far you can't understand how it's even modeled in this game.

What, have you ever FLOWN the P51D? I ask because you don't fly the Dora yet have the audacity to make sweeping comments about its performance, and here we have just as many wrong sweeping comments about the P51.

Here's a tip: Check DokGonzo's link in my sig. Aside from the F4u (which is just a freak of nature in this game) the P51 handles itself QUITE well -- this includes turn radius.


SteveBailey you've lost any respect I might have had for you, posting unfounded lies about planes you admit you don't fly. It's not even that you're gushing about your favorite, you're just so far off base it's not even funny.


P.S. The P51D outclimbs the F4u1 by over 600fpm below 10k, they become more or less even as the power dips until about 14k or whatever it is, then it jumps way ahead of it again.


[Edited for tact]