Does this make sence ? what u think ?

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Zazen13
I agree with this 100%. I recently just flew an entire camp flying nothing but slow turners, Fm2, F4F and some F6F (In LW arenas only) just to sharpen the 'ole knife. In those planes I prayed the guy would be dumb enough to turn with me, as opposed to when I'm in my Typhoon I pray the guy is dumb enough to try to run from me. No matter which type of plane or style of fightering though the real art or trick to being successful, by successfull I mean down as many aircraft as possible without getting yourself wacked, is exactly what toonces says. That is knowing when to get involved and how deeply invested Energy wise you do so. Then knowing the time to disengage and having the ability, SA and retained energy to actually do the disengaging.

This is something only gained by experience and is always a judgement call, no matter in which style or in which plane you fly. Fail to engage and disengage at the proper times and you either die or fail to kill, either of which means you were unsuccessful. It's a constant balancing act, you must weigh the concern of maximally inflicting casualties to the enemy and avoiding becoming one yourself, sometimes this dual faceted goal is even in diametric opposition adding to the tactical intrigue of it all.

Now if you're just a, dive into the swarm and flail around till you die type, it's not this nuanced, you just put as much lead into as many planes as you can before they finally chop you down...So, it's kind of like you're only playing half the game, from a fighter tactics point of view...

One of my sayings I coined many years ago is this, "Killing is fun, killing and getting away with it is pure ecstacy"

Zaz, u know I respect your thoughts on this matter as we have been through this as foes and squaddies, but if everyone only flew to only engage when they knew there was no risks, this game would be the most boring game on the net!  Most of the fun in this game comes when one is risking something!:aok

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Phil
Thanks guys !

Many of you made some good points !!!

Slapshot ! We see ya in the mid war !
You are a DAMN good stick !

You have "filled" my rear end with lead more than I wished ! LOL
And on the odd occasion, I returned the favor:rofl

Slapshot I know that you have top numbers for fighter ranks !
Is it fair to say that a large majority of your kills would be in the late arenas? And if so, those kills are they easier and faster done than the mid war scraps ?

When you guys(Bi-polar / Dextur / Storch / Zip etc... ) fight in Mid, are the scraps more challenging ?
It would be great to see you guys in Early and Mid more often !

Phil

When on the occasions that aI do go in EW MW, I find that most are in there to avoid contact with the enemy.  when you do find a fight, it is usually from a fella that is looking for one(this goes for any arena).  There is no more better sticks in one than the other.

[mtnman]

My experiences in the EW and MW were almost entirely LAME.  @0 on one team, 3 on another, and 2 on the last.

I always joined the low # team, trying to find a decent fight.  I got ganged for my efforts.  And not lightly.  I wish it was ONLY 6-7 vs 1.  I felt like the little fish from the Nemo movie, with all the seagulls screaming MINE! MINE! MINE!

Ridiculous.  Bunch of gangbangers swarming undefended bases.

I'd log off before going back.

Plenty of good fights can be found in the MA's.  You just need to be a little smarter than the swarm.  The possibility / likelihood of others jumping into your fights is a very large part of why the MA is interesting.  It keeps your SA active.  

Can't handle the heat?  Go to the DA or TA for some 1v1's.

Most of the people playing this game can't handle a 1v1 with any chance of survival anyway.  Why should you feel special about beating them 1v1.  You call it a fair fight when you obviously are so much more skilled than them?  Wanna race to cut a tree down- one guy gets a bow saw, the other gets a chainsaw?  Fair right? They each have one blade...

MtnMan

[CAP1]

Originally posted by SIK1
Fly into the enemy horde. You may not come out alive, but it will make you a better dogfighter. Then eventualy you will be able to fly into the horde and come out alive with several kills to take home. I haven't got there yet but I'm working on it.

1)agreed..........i've moved from EW to LW, and been fighting in the furballs that i've spent the last year avoiding,.........it is making me an imensly(pardon mispell) better pilot, with much better situational awareness. i started out with dying, and 0 kills.......then 2-3 kills, before i get killed.....now, 2-3 kills, and i land about 1/3 of the time. so...listne to these guys......jump in on the deep end, it'll only help.

Don't take your score too seriously. To me the only number that really matters in my score is hit percentage, because mine sux and I want to improve it. the rest are just numbers.

Don't let the runners, bangers, and whinners get to you. You have to go through many of them to get to a good fight, but when you get that good fight it makes it all worth it, win or lose. I actually had a guy bail after he lost the advantage he started the fight with, I had to laugh at that one.

2)i forget who it was, but i had mentioned this one in anoother thread......i took their advice, and if i get a runner...usually a pony, i know it's someone who knows how to fly it, so i show them my side, or my tail......within seconds, they've reversed and are running me down, so now i just try to force them into a mistake. i die most of the time, but the first few times i tried this one, i died EVERY time......so this one is also getting better too.

Most importantly enjoy what you are doing. If it isn't fun take a break.

3)yes..once you stop having fun, that's when you'll most liekly embarras yourself on the 200 channel,,,,,, either go to another arena(i've done that when gettin my but handed to me and had much better luck in other arena) or go have a cold driink.

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john

[CAP1]

Originally posted by Stang
He isn't a shade at 80 posts and being a Canuck.

Why can't a fast plane actually fight?  Who says he's in a spit?

1)well...i know i can'tr do it, but i've seen some pilots turn a pony like it was a spit(ren for example), and there's a guy that posted films of him inb a boston in a serious turnfight......THAT's one i'd never have expected to see.

The behavior he describes between the two arenas is spot on.  I have to almost give enemies in LW my 6 to get them to engage.  Sad.  You keep buzzing around looking for easy picks in hordes though.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by AeroMexico 133
common misconception

Shut it shades boi!

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by mtnman
My experiences in the EW and MW were almost entirely LAME.  @0 on one team, 3 on another, and 2 on the last.

I always joined the low # team, trying to find a decent fight.  I got ganged for my efforts.  And not lightly.  I wish it was ONLY 6-7 vs 1.  I felt like the little fish from the Nemo movie, with all the seagulls screaming MINE! MINE! MINE!

Ridiculous.  Bunch of gangbangers swarming undefended bases.

I'd log off before going back.

Plenty of good fights can be found in the MA's.  You just need to be a little smarter than the swarm.  The possibility / likelihood of others jumping into your fights is a very large part of why the MA is interesting.  It keeps your SA active.  

Can't handle the heat?  Go to the DA or TA for some 1v1's.

Most of the people playing this game can't handle a 1v1 with any chance of survival anyway.  Why should you feel special about beating them 1v1.  You call it a fair fight when you obviously are so much more skilled than them?  Wanna race to cut a tree down- one guy gets a bow saw, the other gets a chainsaw?  Fair right? They each have one blade...

MtnMan

Who are you talking to?

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by SkyRock
Zaz, u know I respect your thoughts on this matter as we have been through this as foes and squaddies, but if everyone only flew to only engage when they knew there was no risks, this game would be the most boring game on the net!  Most of the fun in this game comes when one is risking something!:aok

I'm not saying to engage only when there's no risks. No risks, no rewards is as true in air combat as in business. What I am saying is there is a point of diminishing returns whereby if a poor position is pushed too far the inevitable outcome is always negative. Similiarly in the afformentioned example where someone flew a good ways to be the 4th man in, that is a poor decision, a virtually zero risk decision but a poor one. Why waste all that time and E for at best a 25% shot at a kill? Makes no sense at all.

In my opinion flying a cartoon combat sortie is alot like playing a musical instrument. To play it well you have to keep everything balanced. To play too safe is to not get many kills, to play too recklessly is to die too much. In the middle is a beautiful place, called combat efficiency. It's what I look for every flight. That esoteric realm can be found in any plane with any flying style and does not require extreme cowardice or extreme reckless abandon, just good judgement.

[bj229r]

Whoa...25% is bad?

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Phil
Thanks guys !

Many of you made some good points !!!

Slapshot ! We see ya in the mid war !
You are a DAMN good stick !

You have "filled" my rear end with lead more than I wished ! LOL
And on the odd occasion, I returned the favor:rofl

Slapshot I know that you have top numbers for fighter ranks !
Is it fair to say that a large majority of your kills would be in the late arenas? And if so, those kills are they easier and faster done than the mid war scraps ?

When you guys(Bi-polar / Dextur / Storch / Zip etc... ) fight in Mid, are the scraps more challenging ?
It would be great to see you guys in Early and Mid more often !

Phil

I very rarely fly the MW arenas anymore for all the reasons that you have mentioned ... and a few more ... so 99% of my kills are in the MW arena.

I don't understand why people say they can't find fights in the MW ... I found 467 things to kill last camp ... go figure.

Originally posted by SkyRock
When on the occasions that aI do go in EW MW, I find that most are in there to avoid contact with the enemy. when you do find a fight, it is usually from a fella that is looking for one(this goes for any arena). There is no more better sticks in one than the other.

I have to disagree with the first sentence and completely agree with the rest.

Your first sentence ... for me, is exactly what I find in the LW (unless they are flying in numbers).

In my experiences in the LW as of late ... the first sign of one losing an advantage ... they run like a scalded dog ... where as in the MW, unless they are in an LA-5, the plane set does not allow one to "exit stage right" as easily as they can in the LW with the late war monsters.

[FALCONWING]

Somehow i seem to always have fun no matter what im in the mood for...its disheartening to find out from reading this thread that i am actually doing it all wrong...

disillusioned:(
falconwing

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Phil


I wish that those pilots in the late wars should come out more often in the mid and early war arenas and really test their skills during even odds.
Take the boxing gloves off and fight bare fists !  LOL
I'm sure many would get a good reality check !


Salute !

Please don't delude yourself into thinking that just because you fly in the EW and MW arenas that you're some how better skilled than the player that flies in the LW arenas.


ack-ack

[bj229r]

turning and burning = fun, but how much challenge is there in flyin a H2C or a Spit? "do I yank the stick 3/4 of the way back or ALLLLLlll the way back?" The mind reels  (must admit I AM likin MW more)

[Phil]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Please don't delude yourself into thinking that just because you fly in the EW and MW arenas that you're some how better skilled than the player that flies in the LW arenas.


With do all respect Ack Ack !
That was not my intention !
Maybe because my first language is french, sometimes my thoughts are tricky to write down.
Many top notch pilots deserve where they rank ! No need to mention the pilots. We all know off hand who they are....
But there's a good pourcentage outhere with "smack" attitudes and with 300kills at the end of the month that can't barely survive a One on One scrap !
Why 300kills ? Because they fly and fight "cheap" victories !

Anyway ! Tried making conversation without OFFENDING and DISRESPECTING anyone !

I'm just an average pilot that's all !

Salute
Phil

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Zazen13
by successfull I mean down as many aircraft as possible without getting yourself wacked

Reasonable minds can disagree on whether this is a good definition of "successful."

- oldman